What’s the likelihood of winning this property at auction?

What’s the likelihood of winning this property at auction?

Charleston, SC · Member since 2018 · 9 posts · 47 votes

My husband and I are going to the courthouse in another month to bid on a condo in a fast growing area. The judgment is $25,000. From what I see on all of the real estate search sites, the value is anywhere from $120K to $140K. Rents for this area and caliber of unit goes for $1100-$1200.

We’ve been to a couple of foreclosure auctions and in my experience it seems like the lender will always buy it back or the winning bid will be closer to the estimated value of the property.

Am I crazy to think that winning it at the judgment or close to it is an option? Does anyone have experience with winning an auction at the judgment price? Thank you.

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
7y
Originally posted by @Greg H.:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Thomas Jackson:

I have won multiple homes at the sheriff sales and have gotten them at very good prices. Typically the bank will only buy the house back for what is owed. Typically a bank representative will bid the exact amount owed on the loan and then even leave the courthouse and let others bid it higher. Sheriff sales are popular now so in my experience the margins are getting smaller and smaller as more people show up to auction to bid. Anything is possible when it comes to the auctions, but good luck!! 

bank is not allowed by law to bid past what they are owed. 

Is that true for South Carolina?  In Texas, the lender can bid up to whatever amount they want with any excess awarded to the borrower  

Greg my bad let me re state that..  bank can only publish an opening bid at their max amount owed.. if they wish to show up and further bid they certainly can.. but the opening bid cannot exceed their full credit bid amount.

IN practice for a bank or servicer to bid up past amount owed would be rare.. private lender HML who see big up side might do this.

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  • Specialist · San Diego, CA · Member since 2019 · 86 posts · 56 votes
    7y

    I have won multiple homes at the sheriff sales and have gotten them at very good prices. Typically the bank will only buy the house back for what is owed. Typically a bank representative will bid the exact amount owed on the loan and then even leave the courthouse and let others bid it higher. Sheriff sales are popular now so in my experience the margins are getting smaller and smaller as more people show up to auction to bid. Anything is possible when it comes to the auctions, but good luck!! 

  • Paradise, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 871 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Danielle McClelland:

    My husband and I are going to the courthouse in another month to bid on a condo in a fast growing area. The judgment is $25,000. From what I see on all of the real estate search sites, the value is anywhere from $120K to $140K. Rents for this area and caliber of unit goes for $1100-$1200.

    We’ve been to a couple of foreclosure auctions and in my experience it seems like the lender will always buy it back or the winning bid will be closer to the estimated value of the property.

    Am I crazy to think that winning it at the judgment or close to it is an option? Does anyone have experience with winning an auction at the judgment price? Thank you.

    I don't think you are crazy to think that but maybe unrealistic instead. It's possible, but highly improbably that you will be able to pick the property up for judgment amount on this loan/foreclosure based on your numbers.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Thomas Jackson:

    I have won multiple homes at the sheriff sales and have gotten them at very good prices. Typically the bank will only buy the house back for what is owed. Typically a bank representative will bid the exact amount owed on the loan and then even leave the courthouse and let others bid it higher. Sheriff sales are popular now so in my experience the margins are getting smaller and smaller as more people show up to auction to bid. Anything is possible when it comes to the auctions, but good luck!! 

    bank is not allowed by law to bid past what they are owed. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ron S.:
    Originally posted by @Danielle McClelland:

    My husband and I are going to the courthouse in another month to bid on a condo in a fast growing area. The judgment is $25,000. From what I see on all of the real estate search sites, the value is anywhere from $120K to $140K. Rents for this area and caliber of unit goes for $1100-$1200.

    We’ve been to a couple of foreclosure auctions and in my experience it seems like the lender will always buy it back or the winning bid will be closer to the estimated value of the property.

    Am I crazy to think that winning it at the judgment or close to it is an option? Does anyone have experience with winning an auction at the judgment price? Thank you.

    I don't think you are crazy to think that but maybe unrealistic instead. It's possible, but highly improbably that you will be able to pick the property up for judgment amount on this loan/foreclosure based on your numbers.

    many times there will be a step bid. the second you bid the next bid will be 75k higher. very frustrating.. in our day of doing this you had to follow at least 50 to get 1.. no way U hone in on one particular property and buy it..  cant say impossible but as stated above highly improbable but you wont know till you attend and be ready to bid your max bid. 

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    If it is a first mtg foreclosing, with no liens/judgments remaining against the property after the foreclosure.....no, you won’t get this property anywhere near $25k...maybe for close to $100k, depending on the actual as is value. If you get it for $25k, you missed something important.

    The easiest way to get an idea in any local market is just look at past/current auctions....compare the bid amounts to your estimation of value.

  • Greg H.Pro Member
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    Broker/Flipper · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Thomas Jackson:

    I have won multiple homes at the sheriff sales and have gotten them at very good prices. Typically the bank will only buy the house back for what is owed. Typically a bank representative will bid the exact amount owed on the loan and then even leave the courthouse and let others bid it higher. Sheriff sales are popular now so in my experience the margins are getting smaller and smaller as more people show up to auction to bid. Anything is possible when it comes to the auctions, but good luck!! 

    bank is not allowed by law to bid past what they are owed. 

    Is that true for South Carolina?  In Texas, the lender can bid up to whatever amount they want with any excess awarded to the borrower  

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Greg H.:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Thomas Jackson:

    I have won multiple homes at the sheriff sales and have gotten them at very good prices. Typically the bank will only buy the house back for what is owed. Typically a bank representative will bid the exact amount owed on the loan and then even leave the courthouse and let others bid it higher. Sheriff sales are popular now so in my experience the margins are getting smaller and smaller as more people show up to auction to bid. Anything is possible when it comes to the auctions, but good luck!! 

    bank is not allowed by law to bid past what they are owed. 

    Is that true for South Carolina?  In Texas, the lender can bid up to whatever amount they want with any excess awarded to the borrower  

    Greg my bad let me re state that..  bank can only publish an opening bid at their max amount owed.. if they wish to show up and further bid they certainly can.. but the opening bid cannot exceed their full credit bid amount.

    IN practice for a bank or servicer to bid up past amount owed would be rare.. private lender HML who see big up side might do this.

  • Dana WhickerPro Member
    Investor · Fernandina Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 557 posts · 374 votes
    7y

    @Danielle McClelland Hi Danielle, Quick question... Who's foreclosing? 1st, 2nd, HOA? If it's a bank, is it a mega bank, regional, local 1-2 branch bank, other?

    If you can't answer, please don't even think about bidding.

  • Greg H.Pro Member
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    Broker/Flipper · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Greg H.:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Thomas Jackson:

    I have won multiple homes at the sheriff sales and have gotten them at very good prices. Typically the bank will only buy the house back for what is owed. Typically a bank representative will bid the exact amount owed on the loan and then even leave the courthouse and let others bid it higher. Sheriff sales are popular now so in my experience the margins are getting smaller and smaller as more people show up to auction to bid. Anything is possible when it comes to the auctions, but good luck!! 

    Agreed in that regard

    bank is not allowed by law to bid past what they are owed. 

    Is that true for South Carolina?  In Texas, the lender can bid up to whatever amount they want with any excess awarded to the borrower  

    Greg my bad let me re state that..  bank can only publish an opening bid at their max amount owed.. if they wish to show up and further bid they certainly can.. but the opening bid cannot exceed their full credit bid amount.

    IN practice for a bank or servicer to bid up past amount owed would be rare.. private lender HML who see big up side might do this.

    Agreed

  • Rental Property Investor · Shakopee, MN · Member since 2015 · 985 posts · 374 votes
    7y

    I say go for it.  The worst thing that could happen is you are out a little time, no money, but you get the experience of your first live auction.  Turnout can vary greatly by area.  My uncle went to an auction last month and only 2 people were there.  He got some good deals, but then again these properties were about an hour from a major populated area.  Kinda half way between suburban and rural.

    Honestly I would start networking with Wholesalers or investors in your area.  You might find a diamond in the rough.

  • Rental Property Investor · Ann Arbor, MI · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Account Closed and others,  I'm about to bid on our first pre-foreclosure as well and I would greatly appreciate your advice. I know that due diligence is key. But how extensive the title search should?  40 year search by a title company is $250. Way too much to pay for multiple properties (at least for me.) Some companies offer a simpler search for $100. That seems more reasonable.  So how far back in time should the search go to have a good chance of not missing any liens and overdue taxes if I can't do 40 years? How can I make a decision here? Thanks so much, guys!   

  • Paradise, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 871 votes
    7y

    Even $250 is nothing compared to the cost of a mistake in bidding. Yeah, i get it that you can't (won't) spend the money for a full prelim on multiple properties you might be interested in, but surely its worth it for one you plan on bidding on. Get the car wash with the wax, undercarriage treatment, 2nd rinse, and the air dryer if you want it clean. You get what you pay for.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    @Account Closed If you take the time, with maybe some help from the clerks in the office, you can do your own.....at least for the recorded liens. Unrecorded debts.....HOA debts, code violations, etc are a different thing. I've bought about a down at foreclosure auctions and just did my own (on one for over $100k I did pay for a title search to verify since it was a common name and had almost 200 entries to look at).

    Otherwise, you can pay $50-$100 to one of the online title search companies for recorded lien searches. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Ann Arbor, MI · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Thank you, Wayne. @Wayne Brooks. 

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