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4plex Land Acquisition: How much is too much?
Hi BiggerPockets,
I’m thinking of buying a piece of property in Detroit, MI (hear me out now) that could eventually house a 4plex. I know real estate investors have some negative feelings about Detroit but there are some positives to this market because of the manufacturing industry growth in this city. Here are some facts about the property.
-selling price is $300k
-PD zoned
-prime location
-empty lot (city water/sewage/electric but not hooked up yet)
-Detroit city property tax rate is high
I'd like to hear some opinions on this (agents, contractors, lenders). The reason I'm thinking of a 4plex is because I'd like to use an FHA construction to permanent loan with a 3.5% down payment. Despite the high property price, if I'm able to build at $125/sqft then I'd be looking at around $800k for land acquisition and building costs. Even with these expenses, the property still produces cash flow at 3.5% cap rate.
I’ll be living in one of the units so that reduces the chances of vacancy by a quarter. Also, I feel like the land value itself will only go up in the future due to its location.
I’m curious to know what you guys think of this.
Regards,
Tommy
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Originally posted by @Tommy C.:
Hi BiggerPockets,
I’m thinking of buying a piece of property in Detroit, MI (hear me out now) that could eventually house a 4plex. I know real estate investors have some negative feelings about Detroit but there are some positives to this market because of the manufacturing industry growth in this city. Here are some facts about the property.
-selling price is $300k
-PD zoned
-prime location
-empty lot (city water/sewage/electric but not hooked up yet)
-Detroit city property tax rate is high
I'd like to hear some opinions on this (agents, contractors, lenders). The reason I'm thinking of a 4plex is because I'd like to use an FHA construction to permanent loan with a 3.5% down payment. Despite the high property price, if I'm able to build at $125/sqft then I'd be looking at around $800k for land acquisition and building costs. Even with these expenses, the property still produces cash flow at 3.5% cap rate.
I’ll be living in one of the units so that reduces the chances of vacancy by a quarter. Also, I feel like the land value itself will only go up in the future due to its location.
I’m curious to know what you guys think of this.
Regards,
Tommy
Tommy, I laugh so hard when people talk about manufacturing growth or the auto industry in Detroit in correlation to property values/rental values. THOSE PEOPLE DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF DETROIT!!!!! There are suburbs lining the boundaries of the city that have housed those exact workers for generations. Suburbs that are safe, have amenities, reliable city services, reasonable taxes, no city income tax, good schools. There has been nothing but a mass exodus for the last 60 years of actual working people leaving the city. What you have left in Detroit now is a very tiny bubble of white kids working for quicken paying crazy high prices surrounded by a barren wasteland of crime and destruction. There is money to be made in the wasteland if you can tolerate the tenant base... but you better buckle up.