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James Wise Clayton Morris Trailer video
For all of you who did not catch this Trailer video that James posted on U Tube I was able to watch it..
I found it well done. And was even more amazed that Jim got Clayton on the phone all the way from Portugal.
other than a few F bombs by both parties.. it was and is well done.
Even a little Cameo from myself LOL..
Jim has gotten videos and audio testimony from industry experts and actual victims as well as when you see it a phone call with Clayton himself.. I am not sure if there is more Audio on Clayton that I saw on the trailer.
But suffice it to say.. it was Vintage Morris IE just pretty much exactly how his wife portrays them as victims.
Clayton goes on to mention other Indy providers that were in the same mess with Whalen .. And then proceeds to question Jim's investigative reporting bona fides.. And Clayton wanted to know what business was it of Jim's to be doing this at all. And Clayton mentioned me as well as I have been from the very first post pretty straight forward that the model as sold by Morris even if all the rehab funds had not been diverted and you had ponzi like rental payments being made , that the model is and was flawed from day one and would never have worked as he described..
The big one though was When Jim says to Clayton " But dude your in Portugal how does that make you look" no answer..
For sure one thing is certain he is no dummy and I am sure he talked to many lawyers about where he could go to avoid massive litigation and potential criminal and then set up shop and keep selling whatever he is selling to new folks.
U still see it on any social media when his wife gets on and does the Poor this is not fair to Clayton or I routine.. there will be 50 people singing their praise.. Of course I Bet not one of them lost their entire life's savings like one of the investors that Jim had interviewed and is on the trailer..
I commend Jim for his work in this .. It will have benefits throughout the industry showing and teaching people about OOS investing and being led by someone with a lot of fame but no real estate experience to speak of...
Lastly this is a sad case Morris with his background could have been one of the larger resellers of rentals in the US no doubt right up there with the other big resale companies we all know about.. And I can tell you from first hand experience all those other resale companies ran into the same thing Morris did.. but the difference is they realized it quickly and cut off those bad actors by and large.
@Jim K.@James Wise Jim I tagged you on accident but in reality you could write the how to book on how to navigate those lower end assets.
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I had Clayton on my podcast years ago and was shocked that he was selling properties in the hood. I'd been down that road and knew the perils of it. I asked how he was making that work as it sounded risky to me. He said it was going great. (I thought, there must be something he doesn't know quite yet...)
In 2010, a large group of Australians came to me begging for $10,000 properties that rented for $900/month, as they'd seen on TV somewhere. I told them if I could find such a thing, I would buy it too! :-)
We ended up touring Kansas City together and met with several "turnkey" providers. One of them was a property manager in the inner city of KC. On paper, he had these kinds of returns. I warned the Aussies in a follow up email that low-income, high crime areas were not recommended by me or RWN. They wrote back saying it was none of my business what they do... After all, the homes were so very cheap - often less than $10,000 - what could go wrong? (Everything!)
Several bought these rentals, in spite of my advice. Not many months later, they contacted me to tell me it was a nightmare. The properties had high turnover, and every time they did a make-ready, items would get stolen. The repair costs from damage and theft were so high they begged to sell these inner-city properties. But who would buy?
They tried to blame me but I reminded them of the email I sent them. Investors really do need to take responsibility for the choices they make. They can sue all day long, but in the end, they won't get their money back in most cases. Does Clayton have insurance? I doubt it. While he should have been on top of the situation, so should the investors. Did they visit the properties, perform inspections and appraisals and rent comps? They never should have paid for renovations before they were done.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but I am quite Republican in this regard. People, especially investors, need to take responsibility for the choices they make. Many of these losses could have been avoided with property due diligence. A Fox TV host does not make someone a savvy real estate investor.
Some consider me a "celebrity" too but this doesn't mean that just because I recommend something, investors shouldn't also do their proper due diligence. A guy bought some crappy properties through a provider we no longer work with. He failed to visit the property, get inspections or appraisals. He didn't do any investigation at all. And when things didn't work out, he wanted to blame me. I didn't even know he bought them! He never asked for my advice. We were never paid any kind of referral fee.
I hate seeing investors lose money. I have lost money from trusting the wrong people, and it stinks. But I never blamed anyone but myself.