Buyer Frenzy! Don't get burned.

Buyer Frenzy! Don't get burned.

Real Estate Broker · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 150 votes

(This was written mainly for investors in Utah, but hopefully others can benefit as well)

A newbie investor client and I went to a home yesterday that only had a two hour window for showings. There were about 30 other people there! It was a cramped madhouse. My client decided to make an offer at numbers that worked for him, and in an effort to not waste time, I texted the offer numbers to the agent. He said "You are not even in the top 10 offers!" This is just one anecdotal piece of evidence as to why finding deals is hard right now. The competition is legion.

And while the wholesalers seem to keep dropping properties in my inbox, they are still mostly overpriced -- with the wholesalers leaving only tiny scraps of meat on the bone. But who can blame them with all the willing buyers out there?

So who are these people who keep "overpaying" (my opinion)? Are they investors from California who say something like "I can beat out all these Utahns and still have $400k left over from my sale in CA"? Yes. Are they newbies who are in a frenzy after their last Meetup for which they paid $X to join? Yes. Are they Buy and Hold investors who are looking at the 10-year horizon and like what they see and are willing to plop down some extra cash? Yes.

I went through the last recession. I still have some PTSD from some of the deals I did then. I just caution everyone to be prudent at the purchase, since that is the only time you have full control. I am not predicting anyting here (the market looks solid), I am just recommending that you don't join the madness and keep your offers in the realm of reality. It is better to walk away than to do a deal just to stay busy. Honor your calculator!

So what does a seasoned investor do? He or she MUST market and network and find their own deals. Drive for dollars. Knock on doors. They all work. But this takes time and it takes dollars. Be willing to spend both.

And keep your full time job if you have one. The peace of mind from having consistent income is worth much more than you may think.

Success out there!

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Rental Property Investor · Harrisburg, PA · Member since 2018 · 369 posts · 406 votes
7y

Great post and example, Steve, thank you.  We are buy-and-holders here and I know this is an old RE adage, and I actually read it in a post from @Jay Hinrichs first so he gets credit for telling me...You make your money when you buy.

We are planning on buying several more properties, but don't ever need to get into that kind of frenzy.  I would have liked to have seen it though!

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  • Real Estate Broker · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 150 votes
    7y

    I just now got the response from the listing agent for the house in the story:

    So there you have it.   Directly out of the listing agents mouth.  The market is crazy.  

    But you don't need to be.

  • Rental Property Investor · Harrisburg, PA · Member since 2018 · 369 posts · 406 votes
    7y

    Great post and example, Steve, thank you.  We are buy-and-holders here and I know this is an old RE adage, and I actually read it in a post from @Jay Hinrichs first so he gets credit for telling me...You make your money when you buy.

    We are planning on buying several more properties, but don't ever need to get into that kind of frenzy.  I would have liked to have seen it though!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2016 · 211 posts · 174 votes
    7y

    Great post/email from you @Steve Theobald. This is why REI is similar to fishing you need to have many lines in the water till you find a deal that makes sense. I imagine I know which house you were talking about cause I recently saw a house and once i saw number of Investors and knew some of their philophies knew that it would be bidded up beyond my acceptable risk.

  • Real Estate Investor · West Linn, OR · Member since 2017 · 137 posts · 65 votes
    7y

    Great thoughts, thanks for sharing!

  • San Antonio. Tx · Member since 2018 · 75 posts · 47 votes
    7y

    The client should of been counseled from the jump off that he will be getting no 'deals' that he needs to come in hot & heavy or it's a waste of time.

  • Real Estate Broker · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 150 votes
    7y

    @Mica Moore, very true.  The asking price was $150k, and after the comments from the listing agent, my client jumped $8k to $158k - our formal offer.  At $158k, he was at his max.  So I was impressed with his willingness to both come up due to the competition, yet hold firm at his calculated Maximum Allowable Offer.  Since there were at least 9 offers above ours, I didn't feel bad losing out on this one.  Unless the winning bidder on this one is an owner occupant with lots of cash OR a rehabber who is also a contractor and a realtor, I fear there will be some pain in a couple of months.

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y

    Hi Steve,

    I think a lot of us know where this is heading.

    Thanks for the post.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2017 · 439 posts · 578 votes
    7y

    Let em have it. When they realize they can’t make money, can’t afford the rehab or whatever other issue these over zealous investors run into..... be ready to swoop in and capitalize.

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    I don't know many investors who buy at retail or are not adding value.

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