BRRR Strategy with Partners

BRRR Strategy with Partners

Hyattsville, MD · Member since 2013 · 42 posts · 17 votes

Greetings BP Family

My wife and I are investors in the Maryland area and our overall strategy is buy-and-hold while using the BRR strategy. We know that we will find better deals if we have cash, and although we are continuing to build our coffers, we know at least 3 private investors (friends) who would be willing to invest. However, I have a few questions for others who are already implementing this strategy successfully about the following:

1) Does it make sense to have each person commit to a certain amount of Capital? e.g. 20k a piece totaling 80k. From there, should we search for distressed properties where we are all in at 80k and the AVR is much higher, then BRRR to put the money bank while splitting the cash-flow 4 ways. Then repeat? Example: 80k property all in; AVR = 130; Refinance at 90k (And split profits); cash flow on the rents 4 ways

2) How do you structure these partnerships? As equity partners or as lenders loaning you money at a certain rate? Should you inform them that they will receive a certain % on their money as opposed to splitting cash-flow and then give them a term on their loan?

3) What are the biggest hurdles we may encounter during the refinance aspect? I've heard stories where banks appraise the property at the purchase price despite all the work you've put into it. How do we make sure we are able to refinance at least for what we put into it? Are banks more likely to refinance you if there are more guarantors on the hook?  

4) Is the better strategy to have all four investors apply and be guarantors for a line of credit? Do banks care if there are more people on the hook or will that not matter?

Any ideas are welcome.

Best regards,

MJ

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Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2017 · 791 posts · 1k+ votes
9y

I assume your friends don't have the experience and it's all about your expertise and knowledge... that you'll be finding the deal, running the deal, and also managing the asset after and they'll just be putting in cash? If so....

Option 1) they put up the money, you put in the time.  50/50 split between you and the investors.  Cash flow 50/50 and anytime you refinance or sell they get money back and any additional is 50/50 too.  (If you have 4 cash people: 50% to you, 12.5% to each cash partner.  If you are one of the cash you get 62.5%)

Option 2) Structure it as private lending.  Give them maybe 10-15% on their money while you're using it, then after you refinance and pay them investment plus interest you have the property fully on your own after the refinance and get all the cash flow. 

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  • Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2017 · 791 posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    I assume your friends don't have the experience and it's all about your expertise and knowledge... that you'll be finding the deal, running the deal, and also managing the asset after and they'll just be putting in cash? If so....

    Option 1) they put up the money, you put in the time.  50/50 split between you and the investors.  Cash flow 50/50 and anytime you refinance or sell they get money back and any additional is 50/50 too.  (If you have 4 cash people: 50% to you, 12.5% to each cash partner.  If you are one of the cash you get 62.5%)

    Option 2) Structure it as private lending.  Give them maybe 10-15% on their money while you're using it, then after you refinance and pay them investment plus interest you have the property fully on your own after the refinance and get all the cash flow. 

  • Hyattsville, MD · Member since 2013 · 42 posts · 17 votes
    9y

    Austin, really appreciate the advice. Very helpful!

  • Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2017 · 791 posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Martinis Jackson:

    Austin, really appreciate the advice. Very helpful!

     If you have idea of which of those options you'd like to do, then I may be able to help more with additional info. Especially if you go the Option 1 route there is a lot to consider. Option 2 is pretty straight forward. 

  • Hyattsville, MD · Member since 2013 · 42 posts · 17 votes
    9y
  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 62 posts · 77 votes
    9y

    @Martinis Jackson

    @Austin Fruechting mentioned two good ways to structure the deal, but I want to point out you can structure a deal however you see fit. The house is your business so whatever makes sense to you and your investors is the smart way to structure it.

    I would also recommend that you create an LLC for the venture. Anytime you bring in partners to a deal it creates more complexity and it is important to have everything legally documented for cya purposes if anything were to go south. You can hire a lawyer to create an LLC or if you have experience an online business like Legal Zoom could suffice.

    In regards to question three, I’ve never heard of an appraiser not taking into consideration the repairs on a house. I live in a different area than you, but I would think it’s absurd for the appraiser to not take them into account. I’m guessing with this statement, but maybe the repairs on the other houses didn’t add much value to the house or the market could have went down which would adjust the sales price/comps.

    There isn’t any guarantee you can refi out what you put into the property. Lenders select the appraiser and they decide the value. You can dispute the value, but it will not always sway the assessor to see your side. This is why you have to buy the property right and hope the market stays the same or prices increase.

    I don’t believe the banks will take into account the number of guarantors on the loan. They only care if the property is occupied, and personal liquidity/net worth/debt coverage ratio.

    To answer question four and even to help with the refi the more investors that are on a line of credit app, theoretically, the higher the LOC should be. The bank will analyze all investors financial statements, net worth, liquidity, etc so it should increase the LOC. With that being said, if one of the investors has poor credit, bankruptcies, or anything that could adversely hurt the partnership I would keep them off the app.

  • Hyattsville, MD · Member since 2013 · 42 posts · 17 votes
    9y

    @Sam Bates thanks for this, very useful info.

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 85 posts · 248 votes
    9y

    @Sam Bates Wanted to ask you some questions regarding BRRR. I am getting ready to refi out of my 2 year fixed construction loan. I bought the property under my LLC. As I talk to mortgage lenders now, they say that the refi will need to be in the name of an individual, not the LLC.

    Have you found a way around that? Or maybe have a different suggestion?

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 62 posts · 77 votes
    9y

    @Sam White does your LLC have a track record or has it shown income on your tax return?

    If you have to refi it out of your LLC into your personal name you could do that then immediately file a quit claim deed with the county and it moves the property back into the name of your LLC. The last quit claim deed I did cost me between $20-$40.

    KBS Lending is a mortgage broker in Dallas and Kim should be able to answer any questions you have and provide the correct answer. She is very knowledgeable and has helped me with different financing scenarios I've had in the past. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 85 posts · 248 votes
    9y

    This particular entity has only been around from a year and shown no profit.  So I will likely have to do that into my personal and then quit claim it like you mentioned.  Ok.  Good info.

    Thanks.

  • Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    @Austin Fruechting I have a question. Do the private investors who fund the property own 50% of the equity as well?

  • Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    Another question.. if there is vacancy, do I still have to pay my funding partners every month when there is no rent income coming in?

  • Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2017 · 791 posts · 1k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Harith Sufri:

    @Austin Fruechting I have a question. Do the private investors who fund the property own 50% of the equity as well?


     Yes they do, and no that preferred return I give can be deferred, it's only paid when there's cash to pay it, but it gets paid before anything else is split. 

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