Concerns about Cleveland; need experienced opinions

Concerns about Cleveland; need experienced opinions

Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 42 posts · 7 votes

I guess I'm doing things in reverse order... Another newbie mistake.

Anyway, I closed a 5-unit deal in Cleveland recently. But as I read more articles, I have some concerns about the prospect of this city. I was thinking about sending the questions below to a few investors but I think it's probably good to hear from more opinions.

I really want to expand my portfolio, but right now I'm just trying to learn as much about Cleveland as possible before I decide to plow full on. Right now my target property is B/C grade SFH to 6-unit. Target price is less than 120k per property for quads and below, and less than 150k/property for multi. I will narrow down as I learn more about the market.

Here are a few of my questions and concerns.

1. Were any of you in the RE game during 07-08 crisis? How does an economic downturn like 07-08 affect rents in Old Brooklyn/Parma, or whichever part of Cleveland you are most familiar with (same in below questions)? Do you have any historic data from 07-08 for rent? I care less about property value during the downturn, but more about the rents.

2. What is the range of rent that has the largest tenant pool in the above mentioned area? From what I heard tenants are blue collar. If it's correct, what is the largest corporation for employment? If no large corporation, what kind of industry is it and how stable has the employment be for the past 5 years?

3. How many people are moving in/out of this area? What is attracting them or sending them away? How many of these people rent in my target property?

4. What is tenant's favorite type of rental in the area? SFH, Condo, Apartment? How long in average does it take to rent each of it? How difficult is it relatively?

I'm really interested in hearing opinions from Cleveland locals. If it turns out promising, I may come visit sometimes in the next few weeks. Then I may walk through the neighborhood with some of you and get a better discussion.

Thanks a lot!

Hanbin

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Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
10y

The medical field is a major employer of Cleveland residents. Cleveland Clinic is a huge company. 

Not many quads were built in the area. Many duplexes then it jumps up to brick 6 unit buildings. You'd be around 160-210k in C neighborhoods and $250k+ for B neighborhoods.

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  • Real Estate Agent · North Olmsted, OH · Member since 2016 · 36 posts · 4 votes
    10y
    I can answer those questions. PM me please.
  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    10y

    The medical field is a major employer of Cleveland residents. Cleveland Clinic is a huge company. 

    Not many quads were built in the area. Many duplexes then it jumps up to brick 6 unit buildings. You'd be around 160-210k in C neighborhoods and $250k+ for B neighborhoods.

  • Specialist · Rockland, MA · Member since 2010 · 7k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    @Hanbin Y.

    To find out about an area go to IREM.org search for ARM certified property managers. Call 5 ask them what they see expenses running per category per unit. What do they see them selling for per unit, what is the market occupancy rate. What are the market rents? Ask them if they know anything coming up for sale. Great way to pick up some good info and possibly a deal.

    You can also search NARPM.org for the RMP (Residential Management Professional) and MPM (Master Property Manager) certified.

    Paul

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 42 posts · 7 votes
    10y

    @Mark Oriold Already PM you. Thanks.

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 42 posts · 7 votes
    10y

    @James Wise Very appealing chart! Thanks a lot! Curious what is the source of these data? Is it publicly accessible by non-realtors?

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 42 posts · 7 votes
    10y

    @Paul Timmins That's very good advice! I will start calling different PMs. Thank you!

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