Best plan of action. Not believing in the numbers

Best plan of action. Not believing in the numbers

SoCal · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 9 votes

I'm been burning thru podcasts and forum posts. There are so many different opportunities you can get into, it's a bit nerve racking on choosing which path to go.

I am looking at the Los Angeles market (or within 2hours). Target range of $170k or lower. Which means not many options. Any guidance or thoughts appreciated.

Option #1: SFH in the inland valley under $170k is still hard to come by and the distance of having to drive out there and such is a consideration. There's San Bernardino but from posts I've seen I'm not willing to invest in that area. Pomona and Riverside seem to have some of the lower priced housing. If anything, a little worrisome since they have a lot of low priced properties on the MLS. Is there anything in this area that is troublesome?

I would prefer to buy and hold. Flipping is okay and starting on my first deal as a flip will help me get some cash for a large downpayment and give me more opportunities for my 2nd deal. I have flipped 1 property in the past so working with contractors/subs is not new to me, as well as doing comps and selling/staging. Those are all fine, it's finding the deals that are very difficult. I have MLS access and nothing on the MLS is showing 50% AFV. Foreclosures may be one way to go but I have such little financing to work with that anything outside of cosmetic, I won't get lending. Open to flips but haven't seen much opportunity for me given the financing. Hard money is something I am looking into but I don't have 30% down on my end.

Option #2: go out further and flip or buy/hold in the desert. Property out there is cheaper. Vacancy scares me, seems like a crapshoot. I've seen listings for a 2bed house for $650 rent sit for 4mo+. 

Option #3: Buy an apartment or condo for cash flow. I found an apartment for $150k the outskirts of LA. Not too far, near stores and a downtown area. Not the worst area but it does have bad areas. It's a 1bed/1ba. With 7% down, the estimated mortgage payment is $900 according to zillow calculator. Rent according to Zillow/Realtor.com in the area seems to be around $1200-1400 for 1bed/1ba on the same street with the same sq ft. HOA is $300. Total is $1200/mo. Unit is completely turn key and remodeled. Currently the profit is between $0 and $200. I can increase this number by putting more down as well as finding a tenant who will pay $1400 but it's no guarantee I can charge that high.

The prelim numbers seem to work. What am I missing? It's also close to where I live and work, I won't be requiring a property manager I will manage it myself. Any cash flow would be saved for expense fund and then a year later, refinance into another unit in the area. 

Thoughts? 

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  • Logan AllecBusiness Member
    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 980 votes
    10y

    @David L., have you considered the Antelope Valley?

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  • Mike D'ArrigoPro Member
    Turn key provider · San Jose, CA · Member since 2010 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Area aside, I don't see how you can flip a property that only needs some cosmetics. You can't buy at a low enough price that you can force equity to create profit for a flip.

  • SoCal · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 9 votes
    10y

    @Mike D'Arrigo that's pretty much the problem. Traditional financing won't cut it on those deals usually they're cash only and far more expensive than other markets in the country. Which leaves me the only other options I've listed.

  • SoCal · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 9 votes
    10y

    @Logan Allec thanks for the suggestion i started to so it's between that area, high desert and maybe riverside which is more expensive.

    Anyone know about buying just 1 apartment unit and renting it out? Option 3. Similar to renting out your condo situation but not sure of the ownership and rules. Searches are yielding only apartment complexes and multi family

  • Real Estate Coach · Venice Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Hi David. You said the prelim numbers work....how do you figure? I don't see where any of those are going to cash flow. (welcome to SoCal, the land of no cash flow)

  • Engineer/Real Estate Investor · Renton, WA · Member since 2015 · 368 posts · 120 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @David L.:

    Option #3: Buy an apartment or condo for cash flow. I found an apartment for $150k the outskirts of LA. Not too far, near stores and a downtown area. Not the worst area but it does have bad areas. It's a 1bed/1ba. With 7% down, the estimated mortgage payment is $900 according to zillow calculator. Rent according to Zillow/Realtor.com in the area seems to be around $1200-1400 for 1bed/1ba on the same street with the same sq ft. HOA is $300. Total is $1200/mo. Unit is completely turn key and remodeled. Currently the profit is between $0 and $200. I can increase this number by putting more down as well as finding a tenant who will pay $1400 but it's no guarantee I can charge that high.

    The prelim numbers seem to work. What am I missing? It's also close to where I live and work, I won't be requiring a property manager I will manage it myself. Any cash flow would be saved for expense fund and then a year later, refinance into another unit in the area. 

    Thoughts? 

    Hey David! I am in a similar position. I am a newbie looking for my way into the real estate world. I am not sure that option 3 will cash flow over the long run. If your after-mortgage dollar amount is only $200, I don't think that will cash flow as you have to put money away for repairs, vacancies, etc. Just a thought. @Ali Boone has an article she wrote on how to be conservative and protect against negative cash flow. Good luck, David. 

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    10y

    None of your listed options appear to be worth the effort of investing per cash flow. SFH, condos, apartments none of those have high enough rents to cover your costs. Using a larger down payment does not increase real cash flow it simply forces artificial cash flow. No profit in that.

    I would suggest you save more money before you venture in so that you can afford a multi plex or find a cash partner.

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