Private lender taxes

Private lender taxes

Wichita, KS · Member since 2016 · 8 posts · 6 votes

I am new to real estate investment and plan to start out as a private lender. I just closed on a HELOC on my private residence. The interest rate is currently 4%. I plan to loan money to established successful real estate investors at about 12%. I am concerned about the taxes involved. Will I have to pay FICA self employment taxes on my profits in addition to income taxes? Can that be avoided by setting up an LLC or S-corp? Do I even have to set up an official business entity to loan money to someone I know? My chiropractor does some real estate investing and he said that if you buy and sell a property in less than 24 months, you do have to pay FICA tax on the profits. In my case, I will just be funding the deals so I don't know if the FICA tax rules apply in that case.

My HELOC is only $100,000 which should be enough to fund a deal in my area. I eventually plan to transfer my 401K into a self directed account and use that to fund deals as well.

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Investor · Wellington, KS · Member since 2016 · 256 posts · 188 votes
10y

I need to correct my earlier post somewhat. It was late and I was tired. The federal tax information is correct if you are only lending and not participating in the project as a partner or joint venturer. However, interest income and lending fees ARE subject to Kansas state income tax even if the loan is made from a Kansas LLC. Under current Kansas law, self employment income reported by a sole proprietor or pass through entity (LLC etc) is not subject to Kansas state income tax. Of course, interest income is not self employment income (sale of goods or services)

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  • Investor · Wellington, KS · Member since 2016 · 256 posts · 188 votes
    10y

    If you lend only and make interest income without providing services, you will not be liable for self employment tax. FICA tax is paid by employers/employees. Self employed people pay the roughly equivalent self employment tax. Under current Kansas law, you could avoid Kansas income tax on the interest income by lending from an LLC

  • Investor · Wellington, KS · Member since 2016 · 256 posts · 188 votes
    10y

    I need to correct my earlier post somewhat. It was late and I was tired. The federal tax information is correct if you are only lending and not participating in the project as a partner or joint venturer. However, interest income and lending fees ARE subject to Kansas state income tax even if the loan is made from a Kansas LLC. Under current Kansas law, self employment income reported by a sole proprietor or pass through entity (LLC etc) is not subject to Kansas state income tax. Of course, interest income is not self employment income (sale of goods or services)

  • Real Estate Broker · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2014 · 46 posts · 26 votes
    10y
    Good to get with a CPA the works with RE investor and/or a Certified financial planner. Everyone's goals and strategies are going to be a little different.
  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    10y

    I don't know about Kansas but interest income is not subject to federal self employment tax. It is not Earned income. 

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 16 posts · 9 votes
    10y
    Best check with your tax person. In some cases in California, the income from a single member LLC will pass through to the owner's personal income tax.
  • JJ ConwayPro Member
    Financial Advisor · Stephenville, TX · Member since 2016 · 163 posts · 85 votes
    10y

    And be sure to confirm that the CFP or CPA you seek is familiar with real estate. Many aren't. Everyone has their own specialty. The realm of money is so vast it's easy to specialize in one area but know only "the surface" in another. Recommend looking for someone who works specifically with real estate investors.

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