(it's in a suburb of Cleveland)After spending mass quantities to update the HVAC and electrical, paint, throw in some used kitchen appliances, replace 3 windows and remove a 70ft oak tree, this idiot comes along to add thousands more.

Anyways, I'll let you know if Dodd/Frank ruins my Christmas😉.

I've saved thousands.

So when someone spouts off a "number" ask to see the math.There is a valid reason why commercial investors are willing to pay thousands of dollars to obtain correct cap rate information.

Otherwise just like houses in Atlanta as soon as you start fixing they strip,and strip again delaying fixing time and costing extra labor for re-installs and tens of thousands in replacement parts.With the c properties or older usually those are held long term and not for improvement and flips.

Think we'll be nervous whenever investing thousands of hard earned $$$sit is getting better for my wife ;-) Cheers!

Paint inside, and out, they've painted on the brick exterior and the new shed I put in just for them, they've ruined the carpet/vinyl and decided to rip it out thus they've stained up the hardwood floors, the kitchen and new appliances are toast, busted a new window, torn out and lost new screens, the bathroom WAS new, they've ran a leaking clothes washer and soaked the floor which is probably ruined, that leak has gone into the heating duct work and has pulled away from the furnace, they tore off every down spout which has resulted in what used to be a bone dry crawl space being wet, I cut the yard yesterday(when I saw all this), and they are three weeks behind on rent.Human trash is being kind...

I've learned a lot here, and I'm sure others have as well; I'd hate for that to get ruined by sparring.

Just a guess....there are thousands.

Thanks for ruining another good discussion, Tom...