I honestly would like to learn how to step up my game on this too.

They don't have a skin in the game.

@Steve Vaughan  I think the reason they do is for some reason they believe what they hear that the way to buy rental real estate when you have no money.. is to wholesale first get some money then buy rentals.when in fact wholesaling or buying and selling deals quickly in any volume takes a lot of skill.. significant marketing capital.. and most of the time they are breaking the real estate laws.And you have all sorts of HOW TO trainers selling their boot camps and of course they lead with you too can get rich with NON of your own money..theoreticaly that's true.. but not really reality in the real world..not to mention some areas simply do not have enough distressed real estate to make it viable at all.other areas like urban cores and cities that have seen hard times much easier to at least snag low value assets no one wants.. much of this is done is rough areas.Granted there are always hoarder houses and other fixer types in the nicer areas but its uber competitive for them.. and generally there is not enough profit in them to feed all the mouths.the wholesaler the buyer the buyer having to use hard money the contractor sales cost etc.. that in my mind is why you see so many post about HEY wholesalers don't know what they are doing..

What you said about prices rising seems to be true everywhere these days.

I’m looking for someone who is a investor with rentals , someones ear to pick a little bit up the ups and downs of the game.

Although I'm not sure how true this is, I'm curious as to how someone with no experience can get started in this workforce.

Are they true commercial loans or conforming loans on commercial properties?

Even if we did stay here, properties are so expensive that it seems hard to get them to cash flow at all, which is the name of the game in buy and hold, right?

@Blake BroseI would somehow figure out a way to not use the term Turnkey...I think most investors that are not new to the REI game have now figured out that this option really does not make sense. 

Figure out the true cost of capital!