I think that if they are willing to take AdWords revenue knowing that some of the advertisers are scammers, they need to start losing paid members in a big way; and the sooner the community starts to collapse and force them to act ethically, the better for all the members who count on them to provide the ethics and honesty we all need to vet various people and organizations in order to weed out the scammers, so honest people can do business together.

I saw this article on metanews and it went into how what we're seeing as a potential recovery in housing isn't an organic recovery, it's an investor funded recovery.

It wasn't bleeding cash, but it wasn't making a whole lot, and I've grown a lot in the past 3 years so I want to use the funds to get a better deal somewhere else.

In Virginia, if the LLC is strictly a RE investment organization, you form the LLC, get an EIN, and business licenses are local to counties and cities and not required for this purpose.

I would avoid fly by night clubs or the flashy ones whose organizers seem to have all the answers and or who sell their own unrated expensive "mentoring", "coaching", or God forbid "partnering" programs (which are often schemes to make you a straw buyer in a leveraged deal where they put gobs of money in their pocket, and leave you holding the bag in an unprofitable deal.Look for a club that is a member in good standing with the National REIA, and DO NOT buy into expensive programs and NEVER do a deal your own hand picked attorney hasn't signed off on- and don't pick an attorney from the club ;)

Direct mail, there are many organizations (even local title companies) that sell owner finance lists for approximately $.05-$.10 a name.

As you know, those liens had grown to in excess of $40,000 [it's actually $60k].

More passive income Over the past few years I have NOT grown my rental portfolio because it was too easy to make abnormal returns on the flipping route.

I have grown up around real estate, it seem that all my role models in life have been involved in real estate in some form from rentals-flipping.

The two leased properties are leased and stable (5 years/5 year option) and the business the owner is running is a cash cow with a steady stream of customers and room to be improved and grown.