Also, how do banks treat "subject to" owner financing?

Of course, they must have missed that one.You're running a business, treat it like one :DCheers,Mark

I would recommend PEX if you are on a treated water system (city water).

At some point consumers need to just rise up and state they will no longer be treated in this manner and move on to a company that will treat them right.

:)Jeffrey Smith - thanks for explaining the legal consequences in the case that the tenant/buyer can't make the payments on the option premium.Sounds best to just do them completely separately...so is there a good way to make money on these or are they mostly for recruiting good tenants (since they would hopefully be buying the property, they would treat it better)?

They have a homeowner mentality and treat my homes with great care.

I also looked at landscaping blocks, and ultra deck timbers but they are too heavy for blocks and too expensive for ultra.Regular treated 2 bye 10's cost about 65 bucks a window, metal 200 bucks and same for plasticWhat would you do?

Treat all parties with respect bro.

They are notoriously inflexible about treating a purchasing business entity separately from the owner/manager of the business.

Personally, I live in Mableton and invest in those types of suburbs, and the past few years have treated us well also.Don't get hung up on trend lines -- all that matters is that there is still inefficiencies between the distressed and retail markets, which can happen independent of any trends.