The more experience you can show, the higher chance that lenders will be willing to talk to you when there is "blood on the streets" and they are super skittishGood luck!

Wait for the market cycle to come to you and buy when there is blood in the streets and there are an abundance of motivated sellers and good deals to be had.

Can't tell you how many loans I did over the years were I was the ONLY one who made money the rehabber or investor did all the blood sweat and tears and ended up with nothing or very little.

Owner took out a mortgage in 2013 for $68k for the purchase of bothCondo association filed delinquent assessments on 3-24-15 this year for Floors:1, 5, 4 & 11 -- not sure why they did not file on some of the others - per my understanding the original developers are not paying either, however thats probably a moot point since it would be like attempting to get blood out of a turnip.Taxes per floor range in cost from $2700-$5100 -- the ones with lower assessments went and argued with the appraisers office once they bought out of foreclosureSpecials payable until 2023 of $4421 per floor  (once this is done - helps a bit with cash flow -- specials were used to change some windows, make street level improvements and upgrade the heating/air)Last Income statement I could get my hands on was from 2012 -- Expenses per floor at that time (doubt it's changed much except the owners association dues are likely higher to make up for the shortfall of the other deadbeats)Monthly expenses of $2500-3100I believe the mgmt company is ripping the condo owners off - charging $3575 per mo for the building for building maintenance, $3046.23 per mo for janitorial, $3300 per mo mgmt fee -- these are some big ticket items I could see cutting back on.So rough financials per floor per mo****************************************$3383      per mo rent (5800 * 7psf/12)   (676)     20% vacancy allowance   (643)     general/special taxes   (2600)     rough avg expenses per mgmt company - think quite a bit can be cut here---------------------------------------------------------------------------------(536)       rough loss per mo on a worst case scenario$4350 per mo rent (5800 * 9psf /12)   (652)   15% vacancy allowance   (643) general/special taxes    (2600) rough expenses per mgmt company - think quite a bit can be cut here---------------------------------------------------------------------------------455 cash flow per mo on a better case scenarioWhen you put pencil to paper this is not a good deal as it sits presently, however per my understanding - if every floor owner (or if the expenses for the building) were truly spread out over the 11 floors and all 11 floor owners (or one joint owner) was paying their share the monthly expenses could be cut quite a bit.  

Meeting people is the life blood of the business :)Best,Barry

did it through labor, time, blood, sweat, and tears.

Sell blood or plasma?

We have a 36 bed ALF - Lower income - we figured out how to make money serving a market others do not like to serve -It's been rewarding We have GREAT people/staff now --- People are one of the most important aspectsAs for #'s - it really is a depends question as labor rates vary, state regs are going to vary on how you need to staff etc.Here's the order of our expenses monthly:Wages  (About 40-50% of revenue when we have a good month - fluctuates and this includes my salary which really at any other location may be a management fee etc - but wise to build something in)Principal and interest paymentFood  (When I bought the business Food was higher than P&I but we got it lowered by tweaking some things - I'm sure we could tweak it a little more but I'm not the type that wants to wring every drop of blood out of a turnip - some waste, loss etc is going to happen - I have cooks that take good care of the residents and they are happy which is what I care about)ElectricityAnyways wages by far and away are the largest expense item.I went down this path so am a bit biased I guess - but find a struggling business or an existing one for sale and find a way to buy it and then improve the operations. 

In other words, bad blood and if he gets full deposit back he considers it water on the bridge.2.

Good man, too many people are trying to squeeze blood from a stone.