I still get talked down to sometimes, as I still look like I'm in my late teens, but for the most part it's getting better.Welcome to bigger pockets.

I quote high so people don't feel bait and switched when one of the sexy sales ladies lands an escrow due to effective flirting with a listing agent.

Investors like to see projected overall returns in the high teens to low 20% range, after applying the amount of equity they realize on sale; spreading it out over the years the property has been held; and adding it to the cash they received from operations.

I know I can get better deals with respect to cash flow in midwestern markets, but Denver is just so sexy for real estate investing now.  

Once you refinance and catch them up to a 13; all upside equity above that threshold is yours.This is a fairly common structure when you the developer have significant upside and there's capital readily available that just desires a low/mid teen's return and is willing to be 2nd in line behind first lien debt.

Alex - not sure what your perception of good is, but I personally like and invest in Valhalla - just purchased a duplex at 83rd/Villard this month.It's not super sexy and imo won't see great appreciation, but it's much more solid with less crime than the other NW neighborhoods and cashflow is great.  

But roaches, much like teens, know where the food is and don't see the point in sticking around where there isn't any. 

I know - not all that sexy.  

I used to think holding RE in a retirement plan was cool and sexy and the "in" thing to do.

This is where you put the visitors, the nanny or the teens.