23% - 30% is normal for a mid term rental or short term rental.

@Michael Chavis Would be happy to connect I've been investing for over 10 years doing complete rehabs, long term, short term, etc.

The video and stage guys are heavy on promotion and short on reality.  

These places will be more expensive, for a reason.Now I do think that there is some opportunity in certain areas of upstate NY for short term rentals, however upstate NY is not a well established travel destination so your occupancy will probably be low and highly seasonal but this method is viable.

Seller is frustrated.

We're open to all sorts of creative financing such as seller financing, notes, options, we've done rent to own as well.

Must withdraw the full amount, fixed rate for the balance of your loan, must pay origination fee, choose short term of 5 yrs to lock in best rate.

Any tips on how to present this to the seller?

@Troy Bullock I provide a seller net estimate for a property price range when I go to a listing appointment.

How does the buyer insure the seller’s agent doesn’t pocket a double commission as they normally manage to do when you try this in residential real estate?