"go throw your money in bitcoins or the stock market if you're only going to get 5%" I know some other investors won't even touch anything that isn't north of 15 or 20%. but hey we're just mom and pop starting out here.initial-995000year 1513year 21400year 32325year 43255year 54209year 65181year 76168year 87180year 98208year 109261reversion1650000Cash-on-Cash Let's assume the same numbers SGAI= $66,00012% V&C @ $-7920Effective Gross= 58,080Less op ex-taxes (assuming assessed value somewhere in the range of 900k), DA's= 10,700-insurance @ 900-repairs 5% @ 3,300-capex 5% @ 3,300prop mgt 10%@ 6600 (even though we'll be managing it ourselves)op ex at -24,694NOI= 33,386debt service ($2,460 monthly) @ -29,520pre tax cash on cash return of $3,866investment down on original SFR= 168kNC cost of rear unit = 325kall in cash amount = 493kCoC of .78% ....If you take out prop mgt of 6,600 (because we'll be managing it) its 2.12%...Is it safe to say that COC is not as useful in sub-markets/properties where the properties don't necessarily cash flow great and lots of the upside rests in the rental growth and appreciation? 

But you are not limited to that either, with self-directed IRA or 401k you can invest into virtually anything: private businesses, precious metals, bitcoins, pier-to-pier lending, private placements, foreign real estate and businesses, etc. etc. etc.

Finding the DealSo like a lot of people, I did well with bitcoin last year.

Bitcoin?

In my experience it seems like Real Estate is almost as hot of an investment class as its been in years, second only to Bitcoin/Crypto Currency, this creates its own unique set of issues with the newbies looking for a get rich quick scheme.

I think about the economy, the stock market the Bitcoin rally.

To me, plan B is trading bitcoin.

On the call, I'm more than happy to share with you a hard learned lessons or insight of mine from my unique life experiences:Running algorithmic trading for the world's largest hedge fund, Bridgewater Associates (Ray Dalio's fund, author of Principles)Living in Hong Kong 3 yearsFounding and running an AI and machine learning focused development agencyTrading bitcoin since 2016Spending a month crossing the Pacific Ocean via a cargo ship Surviving a near death motorcycle crash in Laos (7 surgeries, 2 blood transfusions later I'm still here thankfully)Founding a VC funded real estate startupI'm more than happy to chat about any of the above and the many mistakes I've made or painful lessons I've learned relevant to them, and I'd love to learn more about your first hand experiences.In particular, I'm interested in learning more about: If you were mentoring me, what should I know for my first investment property?

One bitcoin over $8k?

Bitcoin has officially become one of the largest bubbles in history.