Now, if an investor or business type or a sophisticated lender were involved, things could be different.A comment as to disclosures, hello, I'm screwing you on this deal, will you agree to it?

We use a sophisticated system and a call center, however you could frankly replicate it for about $150/month (if it's even necessary).Frankly, I believe that there are too many people chasing too few deals.

Perception.

So do i really have to learn the hard & expensive way of testing and tweaking or is there a more sophisticated way of doing this ?

A more sophisticated way is to have  two phone numbers.

., like a more sophisticated driving for dollars 

See Ohio  FLA CA. and more states will start as well its a trend.2. because so many undercapitalized or new investors see this as a way to make cash the reasons there are so many complaints and the states are perking up is many who do not have any money any experience tie up property and basically fib to the owners and then walk with weasel clauses.. there by in the perception of the sellers and regulators damaging said seller.we all buy low or we hope we do and we try to sell high or we hope too..

Thanks @Carl Fordyce for starting the thread...I have been hell bent focused on just trying to figure out what the formula is to "buying my freedom" from my less than exciting job in academia (I'm a marketing professor) and at 6 units I know that I am not quite there yet...so I have agonized about how to scale up from 6 to ~30 units and what steps/focus will get me there to finally be able to say "take this job and ...it" and eventually be sophisticated enough of an investor to play in the commercial space...I would guess it is not unusual to hit this fork in the road but thinking about it in terms of return rather than strictly cash flow per door has been really eye opening!

The FBI was involved in this case and said this is now the new sophisticated "bank robber."

In theory a shift to a buyers market means buyers have a reason to not buy whether its perception or real reasons (job market, economy, interest rates) If buyers aren't buying they still need somewhere to live so they will still be renting even at a lower rate.