@Phil Glantz  I agree with you on the perception of the industry...

I've got a checkbox for crazies like her, but alas, money is money (if you've got the stomach for dealing with garage sale of society).

With that said there are plenty of words we could use, heck society use minerals to label all of the time.

I personally donate to American Cancer Society, March of Dimes, and American Heart Society.

Unfortunately, I think it just mirrors where society in general is, and my theory is that as societies becomes wealthier and life easier, it breeds a disincentive in the population to get off their *** and work for anything.

While I am a business and my company buys houses, I want the perception that it is just me and we are going to be friends not just people who did a business transaction together.

Fraternal Benefit Societies 3.

@Jay HinrichsMy messages and traffic don't really hold up the that dim perception, Jay.

I also agree we haven’t learned much as a society .

I wrote a blog about SEC 8 that you can find here. https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9232/blog_posts/55313-intro-to-section-8---your-perceptions-vs-my-realities