Gutting the bath and kitchen may be over-kill for the neighborhood and difficult to recoup the funds.

However one LLC per property is generally consider overkill.

Do you think it's overkill?

@Rochelle Wilkinson, you truly do inspire me.As a newbie, I love to read stories such as these.It can be a scary thing going into this as a newbie just hoping to get decent tenants.For the most part I do have decent tenants, but those in one unit occasionally try to push my buttons, which I have done well to stand firm, but I cannot tell you how many times I almost feel like throwing in the towel because of these 2.I purchased the property and took over their lease, so they have been on property for a lot longer than I have owned it and try to push their weight around, not to mention I am a young investor so I think that sometimes makes them think they can push me around.Hanging in there though and thanks to people like you and all other BP members I can go about this not feeling so alone or like a fish out of water.Mistakes Landlords make (This may have already been mentioned, but these 2 I would say have been top on my list as I have not had issues with the screening or tenants paying):Skipping the routine inspections.I currently undertake 4 inspections during the lease term (move-in inspection; 2 in the course of the lease term and a move-out inspection).Some may deem this over-kill but for me, it ensures that I catch and address any issues sooner rather than later.Treating tenants like your buddies.You must be able to separate business from personal and know when to draw the line else tenants will walk all over you.

seems like a bit of overkill.

It would probably be overkill for only one property, but if your portfolio starts growing it may be an option to consider.You will find many contradicting opinions in this forum regarding the use of LLC.

I agree on the information packet but I think anything else is overkill.

Probably overkill for your needs, but maybe they have something else for all ranges of cameras.

And if the answer is you should do both...... when is this overkill?

Thermostat: Leaning toward Nest-E ($169) ... a bit overkill for my intended purpose though.