I personally have very little faith in the multiple trust multiple LLC multiple lien liability scheme for limiting liability.

You need to adapt conventional thinking as a basis to creative aspects that are acceptable and appropriate in RE.That is much of the issue with "guru" books, the schemes described can't really be replicated as the author may have accomplished with any success, if they really did or not.

Think of this as a get rich slow scheme.

Turns out, all it really was, was a scheme to turn people into birddogs, he'd pay a fee but then it was at their price too.

@Grant Kemp I would not have landed as hard if what I had not posted several times on BP for over a year or more about note/closings, and taken and twisted into some scheme......and no, you will never convince me that you thought of it or that you've ever done it.

What is the success rate of all these stupid moronic marketing schemes?

Things we look for when we tour properties:Not updated (entrance) property sign/logo - must adapt to current times not when the property was first built; must attract high quality residence Logo not in appropriate sizing/ color, not big enough to see - logo must be emphasized so people can see hence it will bound to be useless; so people will be aware where to goNot well maintained foliage or garden stripsNot coordinated paint scheme (exterior) of the unitsWall (exterior) stainsFurniture (owned by tenant) not well kept in front of the apartment unitPlacement of barbecue grill (personally owned by the tenant) in front of the apartment unit- fire hazard Light fixtures (interior) must be change, must be uniform- existing lights have combination of white and yellowEven if the bathroom and kitchen area looks fine, it needs cleaning (TLC)Mismatched appliances (refrigerator white in color while the oven is color black) - small details make a huge difference.

Hi Sean,I agree with modern handles and I would do stone countertop - keeping the colour of the stone light...granite is super durable.

Utilities and other stuff are typically pretty small in the grand scheme of things.My point is that this 70% rule of thumb isn't just some arbitrary number.

I've tried many other ways in the past to make money (online, pyramid schemes, get rich quick methods, stocks, you name it) and because of it, have come across even more debts to accompany my student loans...