Not enough return in the world to get me into this reality show of toxic drama.  

:)Seriously,  is there one particular property or type of transaction that's causing a majority of the drama?

I think there are a lot of people that have nothing better to do than to make drama in their lives, and it sounds like these tenants fall into that category.

Spending 5k to remove that particular pool seems a bit harsh.

I always assumed property managers are individual people who take a certain fee.In the UK you can watch out for certain certificate to see how legitimate they are and secure.Not sure about the whole half a month worth of rent etc :/Seems quite harsh.

I'm going to be harsh.

So, I countered anyway, raised my EM, but that didn't matter because we went to highest and best.Sooo, long story short, (it really is a loong story and involves realtors getting fired, lawyers and drama) I made my highest and best offer of 32001 with the same amount of EM.

May be I was to harsh on the used car salesman.

., the main sign was their credit wasn't exceptional, but they made enough money to afford the place. sadly, they've actually taken very good care of it up until now, but i think they don't know how to manage money.i'll be honest and say my mistake was that i wasn't enough hands-on with the tenant selection process and jumped too quickly. i'd hoped to have the place rented out by the end of july before i left for a vacation to costa rica. i didn't market effectively enough and that didn't happen.my property manager found them while i was on vacation. i was hungry to start making money on this home i'd just sunk a significant portion of my savings into and they "seemed like good people." my property manager is taking responsibility for the bad experience, but it was ultimately my ok.the lesson here is to do your due diligence in screening and be patient while you look for the right tenant. i'm losing more money now with them not paying than i would have had i waited for someone better. even worse, i'm going to have to kick someone out in the middle of an extremely harsh midwest winter, which i've read is a terrible time for finding new tenants.

She also will never live with us, as we value our marriage and she likes to create drama.