@Kenny Ness thank you, I will definitely start making more offers

So this will be my last post on this, so the draw-out-ness comes to an end.

you should bottle that and go market to market and build an empire of PM ness

Seriously, his forthcoming ness says a lot so unless any of us were there, I’d say keep your distance.

And I don't think anyone would argue the recourse-ness/non-recourse-ness of the of loan. 

So, there are diplomacy skills required and a level of real-ness that they can relate to.

Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan: the yield being chased when doing leverage real estate investment is actually :appreciation_of_equity + cash flow * ( spread between appreciation and mortgage rate or spread between bond yield).As long as your appreciation market is > 1.40 of mortgage rate --> that would define your return.I guess to everyone that invest in real estate or SPY to create your own spreadsheet and make your own financial modelling beforeeven placing a bid.There's no random-ness in investment.

@Todd Baldwin your creative-ness and ability to see money in places where most would look the other way is astonishing!  

An investor discussion would be, like many of the others in here, where it's a debate about the realities of the situation and why people are buying RE without enough knowledge right now.The culture of Bro-ness these days is about everyone agreeing and not challenging each other and just being a good Bro, but that leads to terrible decisions because no one feels like they can call anyone out and be honest.