Remember, the gurus make wholesaling sound like a cake walk...it isn't.

You're in the neighborhood of 150#/CF, so, check my math, but the cake that falls out could weigh around 800 pounds.

Think of them as icing on the cake. 

until we know the back ends of those deals we are left wondering what they were thinking when all along a 5 to 7% return to them means millions.. so in reality a hedge fund could drive rents down if they wanted to as well.. just to make sure they have the best tenants and their properties are full and they are still doing quite well. raise rents and really cash in.I agree to fully round out a portfolio investors should be thinking about upside movement of the value... the quote " appreciation is icing on the cake" while a nice sentiment is really I think a poor philosophy to follow... one needs to either force appreciation buy in an area were appreciation takes you for a nice ride,, or were rents can move up dramatically in a fairly short period of time those are the only ways in rentals one is going to make any kind of real money.Although what some would think is a reasonable return on investment and risk others would not be happy with...

You can't have your cake and eat it to.

Subject-To Appraisal - this is the icing on the cake.  

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

I like to keep all my P&I payments in the expense column also, and any equity is icing on the cake as far as annual returns.

No payments and no interest was icing on the cake. -

If a motorcycle dealer pledges his personal home along with his business assets, the majority of the property collateralized can be motorcycles, his home becomes incidental, like icing on the cake.