As to your point about confusion in the future, it's our policy to leave the conversation and thread open and available for anyone to read, they can gather all of the information and make an informed decision for themselves based on ALL the information provided.

I'm looking at investing in land development with them with 14% return. 

If you want to develop it, I can refer you a lender that will lend on a completed subject to appraisal but you'll be limited if you just want it for the lot.If you simply want the land as part of your property, you have more options including a HELOC which you can still use for development down the road. 

Is this ultimately a land play? 

This is based on my experience, I used to be on the guru “circuit” years ago, and personally knew most of the gurus of the 1970 - 1980s. 4.

MarttiHi Martti, I’ve done BRRRRs in both Columbus and Cleveland, but I’m based in Columbus.

When the tax base disappears so do essential services.

Kyle  My father-in-law did this by creating a portfolio that is primarily debt-free single-family rentals in the city he lives in.

Financial Freedom Network I laughed at -- after reading the agreement, no comparable value for that monthly price -- 3 or so years ago, if value has changed now, my time-based disclaimer is as aforementioned -- and Legrand would do well to disconnect FFN from his name, as I believe FFN is now out-sourced, whatever.I empathize with you , Joe and the other responders, but when I read Legrand’s, and most of the other guru’s, contracts prior to trying a teaser product, it clearly stated in the agreement that if customer did not want the upgrade service for which the teaser/free product, free video, whatever, was being given away, then customer must cancel within the stated period of time, which almost always range from 30 to 90 days [60 days is becoming more common, as more folks forget to cancel]So long as terms to cancel are clearly stated prior to contracting, I don’t find it unethical, -- and real estate gurus have merely adapted a teaser or rebate marketing technique used in most every industry -- recently even Chrysler cars [try our minivan for 60 days!

Quote from @Michael K Gallagher: Quote from @A Rao: I invest in land and have done entitlement/zoning and other DD work successfully for years.A broker called me this morning on a property I have on a busy interesection and has a QSR client who likes the location, but does not want to do a ground lease, only a build to suit.