@Mike Dymski Great point on my poor phrasing.

(my phrase) His phrase was something like, "if they don't have money I don't want to bother with them" or something like that.  

I see that as being 1/10 closer to my financial freedom number.Also, when you get to a certain number of units I keep hearing the magical phrases like "creative financing." 

But the signs of uncertainty can become self-fulfilling and could be leading indicators.Anecdotally, google searches for the phrase “need financial help now” are straight up and to the right.

Throw those phrases into google and after a few articles you will get the gist, enough to meet with a real estate-focused accountant on them at least.

I’m in El Paso but I used the phrase “out of state due” to the distance practically being the same result.

Syndication deals always us the "up to" phrase in describing returns, such as "up to 18%".

@Sam Ojo  I read through the 3 years of posts so I kind of understand.. if this program is touting no money down owner finance commercial real estate.. well that's a tough one to a non starter in todays market.. sellers are not that desperate .. you can do that in areas that are dead and dying but who wants to buy that stuff.and when you can pay 10k up front and then they talk about splitting 500k.. this is simply reminds me of a very successful syndicator I worked for in the 80's he had a billion dollar portfolio then I did acquasitions for them it was a great job as I was a RE broker and got my commish when they took the building down.. no risk on my part.. work as a broker plus he paid me monthly and health insurance LOL.But that all saidhe had a phrase... : DROWN THEM IN FUTURES  "  this to me is like that take folks that have rally no experience in something that takes a ton of experience to get good at @Joel Owens give them a cheap buy in .. lead the carrot with the 500k which is more money than most of these folks have ever made or dreamed of and yes they jump in... to me just same ole same ole guru stuff.. and the Guru makes most fo the money on the 10k and monthly other wise why charge either of those if they are making 250k per student.. that would be the big money.. why because they don't do a ton of it ( maybe ) I just don't see this in todays market as being real.. or achievable for folks that don't have like Joel says significant liquidity to buy commercial and experience... you want expe3rince in commercial get a license go work for a commercial broker get paid to do your apprentice work and like many of us 10 years  into the career you start making some significant coin.if it was as easy as pay 10k and 197 a month.. there would be NO commercial property to buy you guys would own it all.And again if this is all about nothing down owner finance that ship sailed over the horizon many moons ago.my 2 cents.

Agreed mate.Too many variations and mud thrown on the word over the years.Maybe we should come up with a new phrase lolSomething on the lines of "House Hacking" and "BRRR" 🤷‍♂️"Fully Renovated And Tenanted""FRAT" property investing lolCut the FAT and invest in FRAT haha

CRAIGSLIST (search key terms such as "must sell" "owner financing" "needs TLC" "Make an offer" "Owner retiring") These are all key  phrases of a motivated seller you may be able to bargain with. 2.