It's unfortunate you took my advice as an attack on you or a defense of PMC's in general.There are a LOT of bad PMC's and I have no problem calling them out.But, I also have no problem holding owners responsible for their poor hiring decisions.We've only heard your side of the story and I've learned many hard lessons from jumping to conclusions with only half the story.Best of luck to you:)

I believe a subsequent bill allows more than 150’ even when setbacks are not satisfied if the footprint is not enlarged (such as adding a second story).There are a lot of ADU laws.  

You don't get to narrate their story of their experience with you.

I guess im having the difficulties with hearing all the stories of how everyone is doing it with no $ of their own in it and I seem to get nowhere. 

The listing side however is a different story.

A tenant complaining online might indicate that the property manager handled them appropriately, so be sure to ask the manager for their side of the story.7.

A short back story is a long term friend and co worker and I have been talking for a year about getting in to rentals (his parents own 12).

Seeing the houses getting fixed up and seeing what they rent or sell for has been inspiration to keep slowly learning over the year.

But at the same time, we also hear story after story of the investors losing almost everything at some point or losing large amounts of money due to the financing. 

Your story of "bad" financials that banks laugh at is all too common.