I am not high-frequency trader type by nature, with "balanced" risk/performance views if to be characterized by wall street terms... my goal to be equal or above 8% yield (really want to say 10% :)) while learning notes, hopefully getting into riskier assets with time (NPN) and getting into 15-18% territory within 3-5 years. 

I'll leave you with a quote:"There is no conflict of interests among men who do not desire the unearned, who do not make sacrifices nor accept them, who deal with one another as traders, giving value for value."

It sounds like you want to trade RE investing for EE...but both require effort.  

:mrgreen: I'm a day trader and a real estate investor.

They would love to be near Whole foods or Trader Joes.

As far as your crowdfunding site question, my inclination is that the IRS would consider this the same as buying a stock or mutual fund as an investment and not being an active trader or real estate investor that would qualify you as being "in business".  

It's hard competing against wall street and all the high frequency traders.

would you pay $20,000 for a $10,000 bitcoin and would you pay $170,000 for a $150,000 houseThis thread is crazy talk.

Buy multifamly, buy gold, buy bitcoin.

Use that payoff to buy another place and rinse and repeat. and yes I was thinking about this yesterday but...if I had originally put all my money in bitcoin exactly two years ago.