Off market is really just a marketing term. 

A sellers market in general.

Quote from @Robert Gunn: I would also be very interested in hearing student or JV experiences with Pete and his program.I stumbled upon him by chance and for fun (I've been investing in land for years) signed up for his "free" course, which he promises after he pitches his $499/mo software system (which is basically an overpriced CRM) and then after the first "Level" in the course, you are directed to a pay page to access the rest of the "free" course.  

U go into C D in any city in the mid west rust belt quote un quote BRRR market or cash flow market and you will experience the exact same thing very time.

Are next steps is looking at our first market landscape to get our 1st deal for 2025.

Most Brokers on this site work very specific markets.

I agree.. just look at any large mid west or rust belt metro.. there is a ton of houses avaliable the question though will folks buy in certain neighborhoods where inventory is readily avaliable you can buy existing in many of these markets for far less than new builds.. so to me its really a neighborhood issue  a school issue a crime issue etc etc..

Without that baseline plan, we might’ve ended up playing Whac-A-Mole with random listings and half-baked projections.I’m not pitching perfection here.

Basically, what these guys did to some of our Real Wealth Network members allegedly is:- GEG showed RWN some of the properties they had renovated and leased out to prove their business model- They told our members via a webinar that they buy, renovate and sell rental properties below market value to investors with 8% cash flow- They said they offer non-recourse financing at 50% LTVIn reality, GEG sold properties that were not always renovated - even if the price point reflected a renovation.

Even when we manage to reach a working voicemail,owners often assume we are just another "we buy land" serviceoffering far below market value.Given thesechallenges, we are eager to learn the most effective strategies for locatingpotential sellers and establishing a professional, trustworthy connection thatencourages serious consideration of our offers.Telephone/voicemail is informal, hence casual, hence “we aren’t putting much effort into this.”