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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 22 posts and replied 1212 times.

Post: Transfer of home to LLC and future vulnerability/liability

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Quote from @Ray Detwiler:
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Ray Detwiler:
That's what I was afraid of.  Thank you

 Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Ray. I will always shoot strait with you! 

I appreciate it.

Would it even be worth putting the property in an Ohio LLC at this point? or just ride it out and do our best to keep tenants happy, and worry about it for next time...?


 In your case, might as well just worry about it for next time 

Post: Should I engage a CPA now or wait until we've built up a basic portfolio?

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Quote from @Joy NA:

Thanks Matthew, I too am also interested in this.  


 To answer both your questions, I would recommend you don't engage a real estate-focused accountant until you have at least one property. No need to spend the money yet! 

Post: Cost Segregation for STR properties acquired in 2018, 2021, and 2022?

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Quote from @Shyam Subramanyan:

I have three STR properties that my wife and I have self-managed but from a tax perspective we've only taken the normal depreciation the last few tax years. However I am wondering if I can do cost segregation for all these properties for 2023 taxes since I owe quite a bit of taxes due to high W2 income. I also do not expect high W2 income for 2024 and beyond, so 2023 might be the best year to do this for the best tax savings. I did look at some of the material participation criteria and we should easily surpass the requirements since we pretty much spent time improving the home ourselves, managed all guest communication, etc.

Thoughts?


 hello Shyam, 

You certainly can do a retroactive cost segregation study and either go back and amend your old return or you can take it on this years return. The bonus deprecation rules apply here and it would be a conversation you would need to have with your accountant as to what the best course of action is. I can refer you to someone who does great cost segs, just send me a DM

Post: Transfer of home to LLC and future vulnerability/liability

Account ClosedPosted
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Quote from @Ray Detwiler:
That's what I was afraid of.  Thank you

 Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Ray. I will always shoot strait with you! 

Post: Transfer of home to LLC and future vulnerability/liability

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Hey Ray, 

I would exercise caution here. Transferring your Ohio rental property into an LLC after closing could trigger a due-on-sale clause with your lender, as moving the property from personal ownership to an LLC is often seen as a change of ownership. While transferring it to an Ohio LLC owned by a Delaware Holding LLC (which is owned by your Irrevocable Trust) is generally allowed, the lender may require you to refinance or repay the loan if they enforce the clause. To avoid this, it's critical to consult with your lender before making the transfer. While using a quit claim deed could be a way to move the property into the LLC, it won't bypass the lender's potential objections. Additionally, placing the property in an LLC doesn't guarantee privacy for tenants, as they can still access public tax records and potentially trace ownership back to you.

Post: STR Cost Seg/Bonus Depreciation Buying with Partner & other non-RE related income ?'s

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Hey Nick, 

1. Yes, you can take advantage of bonus depreciation when you partner, typically through a simple LLC or partnership agreement. In a 50/50 partnership, each partner generally receives 50% of the tax benefits. However, if you are pursuing Short-Term Rentals (STRs), each partner must qualify individually for "material participation," which can be more challenging when there is a partner. Material participation usually requires that you work more hours than anyone else involved, including your partner, making this qualification tricky in partnerships.

2. Bonus depreciation is highly beneficial because it can be used to offset any income, not just passive or real estate income. It applies to both W-2 income and other forms of active and passive income, meaning that the STR loophole allows you to leverage depreciation beyond just real estate activity.

3. When selling a property, you will have to recapture the depreciation you've used to offset income, but you don’t pay taxes on suspended depreciation. Suspended losses can be carried forward and used to offset capital gains or depreciation recapture upon the sale of the property. If you perform a 1031 exchange, you may avoid immediate recapture taxes, but long-term holding strategies must account for eventual recapture.

4. Depreciation benefits for a property switching from long-term rental (LTR) to STR apply based on the entire calendar year. Mid-year conversions do not qualify for a partial year calculation of STR depreciation; you must meet the full-year requirements to utilize this tax advantage effectively.

5. To meet the "material participation" rules for STRs, there are multiple ways to qualify, but careful structuring is important. Using co-hosts might help distribute management tasks, but this can complicate your ability to meet the material participation requirements, especially the 100-hour rule. Rotating co-hosts for tax purposes may not make business sense, as it is difficult to find reliable management only to replace them quickly.

Hope that helps! 

Post: Tax Professionals and Taxpayers - Beware of Scammers

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I get easily 3 calls per week from scammers saying I have overdue taxes.... when will it end! 

Post: Bonus Depreciation one of the best parts of RE Tax Code

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Love this article, Melanie! Great breakdown of Bonus depreciation for RE. But the goodness doesn't stop there. Bonus deprecation can be used on equipment and vehicles too. This leads to the famous "g wagon write off" which a lot of our real estate brothers and sisters are interested in doing 

Post: Average cap rate in Vegas right now?

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Quote from @Justin Moy:

For properties that size I'm not sure cap rates will give the best story, but for the sake of answering the question, cap rates are a level of desirability in that sub market. 

In Kansas City you can find properties with cap rates ranging from 5 - 7+

Big difference in projected cash flows, and the most desirable neighborhoods are trading closer to that 5 cap rate. 

There's likely submarkets in Vegas that trade lower, my understanding is the Henderson submarket is really desirable, so I imagine those cap rates are starting to shrink as I've heard Vegas getting lots of outside investment


 Appreciate the post! My buddy actually lives in Henderson, so perhaps picking a place close to that would be the move and get it at a 6.5-7 cap. Don't really care about price and short term appreciation, just cashflow and hassle to manage 

Post: Average cap rate in Vegas right now?

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Quote from @Bill B.:

1) I’ve always loved the idea of small multi. But there’s no reason to buy 5-7 or maybe even 5-9 unit properties. You are getting the the bad financing of larger properties, say 12-20 units and the hard to find good management of 2-4 units.) so I’d concentrate on 2-4 units if you can’t/don’t want to look at 8 or 12+ buildings. 

2) That being said, even though 12 out of my 13 properties are in Vegas, they are all SFR. I'm just not a fan of Vegas SMF. When I buy properties I'm looking for newer properties, in nicer neighborhoods, with almost zero exterior maintenance. (Sloped and Tiled roofs and stucco siding.). Vegas SMF is almost always the exact opposite of that. 30+ year old buildings, in less desirable neighborhoods, with flat/flatter roofs and often with shoddy exterior siding.

3) The ideal SMF would be one of those brick mansions they build in the Midwest that look like new for 50+ years, in an area with better weather.  You’r based in SD, so you know a thing or two about good weather. If SD was my base I’d look at AZ and Reno and see if they have anything better than Vegas. IMHO they are the worst properties Vegas has to offer although they have tripled or quadrupled in value in the last 10-15 years, that was the play, not the cash flow. 

Good luck whatever you decide to do. I was going to close with “Anything is better than a property in CA.” But MAYBE, just MAYBE a SMF would be ok in SD. But with horrible returns and the threat of statewide anti-landlord laws even that seems bad. I assume you don’t want to live in a unit to try to avoid some of the restrictions. 


 Thank you for the thoughtful post! i will consider Reno as well. I just don't want to do CA and know a friend that lives in vegas, so I have some idea of how it is there and its a quick flight from where I live. This is just a cashflow and hold forever play. Id like to build a bigger portfolio but this would be my first non LP deal where I'm doing all the work myself so I thought id start between beginner mode and intermediate.