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All Forum Posts by: Johnny Wolff

Johnny Wolff has started 2 posts and replied 34 times.

Post: Interested in investing in turnkey rental properties

Johnny WolffPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 29

@Gary Nguyen - turnkey is how I got started. It's a great first investment.

As long as you're in the center of America I think prices will remain stable. I'm personally buying actively.

Post: Investment Direction for First Time Investor

Johnny WolffPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 29

@Refayet Anzir - house hack in Houston my friend.

Look into down payment assistance, buy a duplex and live in one side.

Honestly, $100K markets in 2020 are going to underperform on an appreciation basis and you'll be more out of pocket than if you just bought local.

Remember, there are 3 pieces of your return.

1) cashflow

2) appreciation

3) mortgage pay down

The goal is for the TOTAL of the three to be highest possible. A more expensive, nicer property in Houston will easily beat any total returns you'll get in tough parts of Baltimore.

Post: 24 Years old with 30K and ready to House Hack

Johnny WolffPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 29

@Austin Wingett - think starting with a duplex in a part of town you want to live in and renting out rooms on the side you're on is a pretty fail-proof strategy.

Not sure what housing at a "high" means, but I'd move forward with something as quickly as you can find it. You're gonna make mistakes, and moving forward means you'll make them quicker and grow faster.

Also look into down payment assistance options from your city, state and county.

Good luck!

Post: High Appreciation vs. High Cash Flow... What's your pick?

Johnny WolffPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 29
Originally posted by @Jon Schwartz:
Originally posted by @Matt Camilliere:

Hi BP Community,

Need your input!

Save to afford a project in Austin, TX? - High appreciation potential

Start buying rentals in Killeen / Copperas Cove / Harker Heights, TX? - Positive Cashflow, guaranteed rent if military tenants.

 Matt, I'm going to make the case for #1!

Over time, owning a good piece of property in a proven appreciating market will build more wealth than buying a cashflowing property with little hope of appreciation. Personally, I'd rather have 80% leverage on a good property in Austin that's appreciating reliably (given the facts on the ground in Austin) than a cashflower in Killeen.

I say "personally" because personal circumstances make the difference. I have a career outside of real estate that provides a healthy income. My wife also works, so we're dual-earners -- and we're both happy in our careers, too! We don't need cashflow right now, but we're excited about building wealth.

That's why we bought an expensive duplex in Los Angeles in an historical neighborhood just outside of Hollywood. If the property appreciates half as well as the longterm historical average, I'll be able to refi out my daughter's college tuition when she goes in 15 years. That's more important to me than $150/mo/door or replacing my W2 (because I own my business, so I cut my own W2, so I got no problems being a W2 employee!).

One other case to make for option #1: even if your goal is to replace your income, you might be better off letting your capital appreciate in an Austin property for a couple of years. Five or ten years from now, when you're ready to replace your income, sell the Austin assets and 1031 exchange them into a cashflowing portfolio in Killeen or anywhere else.

So, it really depends on your circumstances. What are your circumstances?

Also, I'm glad you're not somebody who equates appreciation with speculation. In Indianapolis or Cleveland, such may be the case. But in LA or Austin or Seattle, appreciation is real.


Best reply on this thread IMO. My hunch is most of the cashflow only crowd has never run the ROI numbers - and retiring your day job on Killeen property...that's a pipe dream unless you can get to like 50 of them.

Post: High Appreciation vs. High Cash Flow... What's your pick?

Johnny WolffPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 29

@Matt Camilliere - think you should look at the net worth increase you'll see for each investment when you combine appreciation + mortgage pay down + cash flow.  Even in "high cash flow" markets, we're talking about a couple of hundred bucks a month per unit.  Hard to imagine that actually increases your net worth more than properties in Austin.

I bought 3 props there in 2015/2016.  Best investment decision I ever made.  That investment allowed me to start my company by giving me access to $100K just a couple years years later.

One note:  Do you have a stable income that can handle some carrying costs of Austin properties?  that's important.

Post: Tell me why I’m wrong! Classic SF vs MF debate

Johnny WolffPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 29

@Tyler Smith - I typically purchase slightly below the median or at median price and focus on nicer areas with reasonable (6-8%) cash returns.  Can't figure out why folks chase high yield in RE...that extra $75/mo in cashflow isn't going to change their life in any material way.  But constant churn from the tenants in the high yield areas will definitely disrupt your life (and so will a $6K make-ready).

@Lee Ripma and I were discussing this exact thing the other day.  RE's "fountain of youth" of 10-12% cash on cash returns work for @Brandon Turner, but he's a pro with a global network at this point in his investing career with a lot of advantages that most of us don't have.  Give me singles and doubles all day every day.  Home Run swings typically lead to strikeouts in all asset classes - RE is no different.  Invest well, for the long term, you'll do well.

Post: How much is too much to get your feet wet

Johnny WolffPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 29

Sounds like a great idea to me - would recommend renting out rooms on your half of the duplex. Appreciation is pretty awesome if you can find it, and even more powerful with FHA loan leverage.

Post: Tell me why I’m wrong! Classic SF vs MF debate

Johnny WolffPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 29

Your premise of "more doors means more stability" is wrong my friend.  10  nice SFRs will be waaaayyyy more stable/less risky than 10 4-plexes/triplexes.  As you get to these mini multi-families the tenant churn ramps up significantly.  I've had some luck with long terms tenants at a duplex I own, but eventually my long term tenants fought with the other side of the duplex over their cats and then left.

Anyways - SFR all the way. Honestly not sure why this remains a debate tbh. It's easier, more stable, fewer headaches, and more liquid. I've owned/own both.

Post: Age, how many rentals, and type of rentals?

Johnny WolffPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 29

37, 11 rentals.  Mix of single family homes, duplexes and 4-plexes.  Started at 25.  Bought out of state, turnkey.

Post: Is the 2% Rule a Myth for MFH in Sacramento, CA??

Johnny WolffPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 29

2% rule?  (shakes head...sigh)