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All Forum Posts by: William Harvey

William Harvey has started 1 posts and replied 136 times.

Post: How to make passive income from fix and flips

William HarveyPosted
  • Investor
  • Ashburn, VA
  • Posts 139
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@Jose Mora There really isn't any way around the tax piece. Whatever your net profit is going to be taxed as short term gains, which I believe is the same as ordinary income....or at least it is close to ordinary income. One thing I do from the income generated from house flipping, is passively invest in multifamily and mobile-home park deals. With those kinds of deals that have heavy year 1 bonus depreciation, the "losses" I incur from the K-1's goes directly against my earned income from the house flipping. The reason why is because I am considered a full-time real estate professional in the eyes of the IRS. So, even though the house flipping isn't super tax-efficient, by investing in tax-efficient things like multifamily, you can drastically reduce the net amount you'll pay in taxes. Just make sure to talk to your CPA and that you will pass the sniff test to be considered a full time real estate professional. Hope this helps!

This sounds like a good plan on paper but I think it has a chance of getting majorly derailed if you run into some additional problems while completing each unit incrementally. Why don't you find an equity partner and come up with all the cash up front so that you have ample reserves to ensure that if you hit a snag that you are able to keep the project going? Versus running out of money and stalling out. 

Post: Should i Start an LLC for note investing in real estate flips?

William HarveyPosted
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  • Ashburn, VA
  • Posts 139
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I would create a LLC. I'm not an attorney and this certainly isn't legal advice, but if not for anything else, it is much "cleaner" to have a separate entity and bank account that you are doing business from.

It isn't complicated to pay yourself at all. I'd look into whether it makes sense to treat it as a partnership or S-corp for tax purposes and you'll get clarity on this. By default, I believe all LLC's are initially classified as partnerships, but you can elect to be classified as an S-corp by sending in a form to the IRS.

Also, if you have a separate bank account for the entity, this makes tracking income/expenses much easier too since it isn't blended with your personal account. I'd talk to a competent CPA and they can help you here with how to be treated for tax purposes. Hope this helps! 

Post: Tips for out of state investing for 1st deal? CA is so expensive!

William HarveyPosted
  • Investor
  • Ashburn, VA
  • Posts 139
  • Votes 143

@Tanya Torres I would recommend you look into passive investing as a strategy. I started doing what most people do and buying active rental properties and came to the conclusion that I hated dealing with tenant/guest headaches and would much rather delegate all that to someone else. Also, I would personally rather invest in a 100-unit multifamily property than a 1-unit rental property. Even though I own a small fraction of the 100-unit property, the risk is spread out and not having to manage it myself is a beautiful thing. This certainly isn't as "sexy" as owning a bunch of properties on your own that you have full control over, but I can tell you after doing around 10 of these deals and having a few go full cycle, it is definitely sexy to make money passively without having to do anything. 

Just food for thought! I really wish someone had told me this prior to me buying multiple houses. 

Post: Finding Fix and Flip Deals

William HarveyPosted
  • Investor
  • Ashburn, VA
  • Posts 139
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Quote from @Dan White:
Quote from @Joshua Aceret:
Quote from @Dan White:

We are full time flippers - You are very sharp to understand that the leads are the hardest part of business. It has been our biggest learning curve - everything else is easy.

We know around 20 plus flippers in our area (Wash DC suburbs)...only 1 or 2 wholesale. Most just flip including us.

As far as lead flow, we utilize Google PPC and some direct mail to get the leads directly. A lot of other flippers do utilize wholesalers and birddogs for getting leads. 

I have noticed that some wholesalers in our area were once flippers and switched to wholesaling. Some of them commented that wholesaling was less liability and almost as profitable as flipping. They also said that they had struggles with flipping...takes too long, no reliable labor, etc.

So, I feel us controlling 100% of our lead flow is best for us. It is more expensive for marketing but allows more profit for us too.


 Dan, 

Thank you for that! It seems the people I run into and have thoughts like the one I shared tend to not be flippers nor wholesalers. 

So through PPC and direct mail, you are able to generate enough leads to fill your pipeline? Do you have a website that brings those PPC ads?

Understand it will be different for my market but I am interested to learn what successful flippers are doing to generate enough pipeline. 

I think for the time being we are okay with the direction we are going, MLS, Wholesalers, etc. but know when we start ramping more that will be an area I have to focus more time, effort and money on.


 Yes - we have ample lead flow. We use a "Carrot" website and have built up the SEO over the past few years. PPC is great for getting going immediately and SEO takes a while to get going. The direct mail works great too.

Once you are doing this full time and people know what you do, you will get referrals too. Our landscaper has brought in multiple deals to us. Also, my broker's Facebook group has people reaching out to us as well. It all takes time. 

MLS deals are good too. We have only bought 1 off MLS so far, but it went great.

Good luck out there. More than happy to chat and give any advice I can.


 To piggyback off this, we use Parth with Lead Plug for PPC. He is fantastic. We burned through multiple guys before finding him and have been working with him for about a year and a half and it has been great. If you're serious about getting going with PPC I would talk to him!

Post: Comp Software comparison?

William HarveyPosted
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  • Ashburn, VA
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I would look at Propstream, their comp tool is pretty great. This is just one feature they have, we have used them for years and love it. 

Post: Can I turn a hard money loan into a traditional loan?

William HarveyPosted
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  • Ashburn, VA
  • Posts 139
  • Votes 143

I don't see why they would care. As long as they get their principal + points/interest back then it shouldn't matter if it is from a sale or refi. Usually the issue comes into play when you do the opposite of this and get a long-term (permanent) loan and then end up selling or refinancing shortly after the loan was originated. A lot of commercial/bank loans come with prepayment penalties to prevent this from happening, but you shouldn't have that with your hard money loan. 

Post: Getting started fix and flip

William HarveyPosted
  • Investor
  • Ashburn, VA
  • Posts 139
  • Votes 143
Quote from @Andrew Weiler:

Hey Douglas, 

From my experience the best case scenario is to have a team established first, of people you can trust. On the contractor side of it making sure your contractor is good with investor friendly numbers. That way when you find the right deal you just need to lock it up then there is no time in between to let a deal sit and you can get rocking and rolling right away! 

Hope this helps, feel free to reach out with any other questions in this space! 

 I completely agree with @Andrew Weiler here. I will add that your first flip, or even multiple flips, will be how you really build your team. You'll realize which contractors/subs can be relied on, and which ones cannot. Myself and @Dan White flipped 2-3 houses before we established our core group of guys that we now use (almost) exclusively on every deal. And there were a bunch of others that we realized were not reliable and we no longer call on them. 

I'll also add that you should really focus on having your first deal be a great buy to account for mistakes and lessons to be learned along the way. The first flip we did ended up netting about $47k but if we did the same flip today it would likely end up somewhere around $60-65k in profit. We overimproved it, and had some contractor budgets get out of control but because we bought it so well, none of these mistakes really had any serious impact. Hope this helps!

Post: Flipping in unsettled markets

William HarveyPosted
  • Investor
  • Ashburn, VA
  • Posts 139
  • Votes 143
Quote from @Andy Sabisch:
There is no formula that fits all markets and price points . . . I hate when people look for that magic formula (not what you were asking but bear with me).

You make your money when you buy not when you sell holds true in any market.  If you buy at the right price and gauge the direction of the market (how much of a swing do you anticipate) and what will the material cost / holding cost be worst case you can make money in today's market.  Expect another rate hike and see interest rates near 9% or better in 6 months.  See how many buyers the hikes have taken out of the market already and see if your project will still sell in 6 months at higher rates.  Be careful about over zealous agents that give you a pie in the sky number and then say you have it priced too high and need to drop the price.  Find an agent that knows the market, has dealt with investors and can help you forecast market directions - we have one that is worth her weight in gold with the intel she can provide.

We are very selective on projects we consider with where the market is and where it is heading . . . hopefully post-November we will have a better idea where things are heading . .. for now, we have picked up rentals as sellers are panicking and the numbers still work with the 6.5% - 7.5% interest rates we are getting on oans

 I agree with @Andy Sabisch about making money when you buy. That holds true in literally any market, good or bad. When we are running our numbers and analyzing deals, we are being ultra-conservative on the ARV. Since there is uncertainty with the Fed raising rates, elections coming up, inflation, etc. we are baking in a big buffer on the ARV. If recent comps support a property selling for $400,000 we would likely knock that down to $350,000 and work backwards from there.

Obviously this market sucks and is changing, but honestly, this is the first time in years where we've felt we have the upper hand as buyers. We buy everything off market directly from sellers and we've always felt fomo and were nervous about our offers. Today, we have zero fomo whatsoever. We are fine buying deals at our number, and if that doesn't work then best of luck. Seems like a lotttttt of buyers have dropped off so the ones remaining can truly get good deals.

Tl;dr - focus on NAILING your ARV and being on the conservative side, and you should be good no matter what kind of market you are in.
 
 

Post: What Software do you use?

William HarveyPosted
  • Investor
  • Ashburn, VA
  • Posts 139
  • Votes 143

I am pretty sure that FlipperForce would do what you are looking for