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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 19 posts and replied 73 times.

Post: Are gas stations a bad investment?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 56

@Joe Splitrock Definitely some great points, from those above as well, thank you.

I'm open to admitting I'm wrong about my perspective on this, just wanted to see what others think, this thread has been very insightful.

We're finding many here for sale in California, the issue is most have expiring lease terms within the next few years or so with no indication of an extension of the lease.

Post: Are gas stations a bad investment?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 56

My dad made a significant amount of money buying and developing gas stations in the 90's. he's held all of them since, collecting rent checks each month, all are on a NNN lease.

He's wanting to buy more now and I personally don't think it's a great investment anymore, seeing as we're trending towards electric vehicles as more time goes on. 

While we'll still need gas for several more years, is it a good idea to invest in NNN gas stations if electric cars become more prominent as the years go on? Is my perspective on this matter wrong?

Note: We live in California and gas stations are selling at a premium right now, prices are CRAZY!!

Post: Seller's Market Different Than Usual?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 56

I think most of us can agree we're in the seller's market phase of this RE cycle but is this different than other phases in the past? 

I'm seeing a tremendous amount of large commercial and residential properties being listed (and frequently sold) for insane prices ($20M - $200M) throughout the country. Mega malls, professional sports stadiums, expansive shopping centers, ten+ bedroom mansions, etc.

Maybe this has happened many times in past sellers' markets but for those of us who haven't been in the industry too long, is this normal?

Post: Frustrations With RE Investing

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 56
Originally posted by @Brian H.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Don't read if you are Squirmy Wormy type.

I don't know many employerS who would keep an employee with ZEROOOOOOOOOO productivity unless that person is a relative..............lol.

Shotgunning in a hot market exhibits bad judgement.  This bad judgement is why your DAD has to approve your deals,  you need to show him something first.

It could be RE is not your thing.

I trying to be polite!

Haha I understand your perspective. My dad operates two businesses: he's a CPA with a large firm centered around small businesses and REI and he has his real estate development company on the side. I'm taking over the accounting firm and that is where I work full time (six days a week, 12+ hours a day so I'm VEEEEEEEERY productive) but I'd ultimately like to do RE developing and investing full time. Any and all free time I have left goes to RE and generating deals. He's in no hurry to buy properties at the moment so me not landing any deals yet in no way hurts business.

Remind me of me in regards to the produtivity level. I run a very busy restaurant. 75+ hour weeks are very common and regular. Any extra time? REI! haha

Listen, you sound like a hard worker. You did 7 years pre-med (that aint easy) and you work long hours taking over the business.  You are clearly intelligent as well.  These qualities will definitely get you far no matter what you choose to do.

My recommendation is this. Work. Run the firm. Make those bucks!!! Do REI on the side, for now, and turn every penny your REI makes right back into your REI business. Survive on the CPA firm money. That will grow your REI business much quicker. That's what I am doing too. I survive off the decent salary in this company I work for and turn every penny I make back around and put it back into my side REI business. I set myself a "10 year plan". I will keep doing this very exhausting, intense job for 10 years, all the while turning every penny I make from REI right back into my business. I can't imagine how quickly this will grow my business. After 10 years, I plan to drop my day job and just do REI. At that point I will be 45. Plenty young enough!! You are even younger than I am! You have so much time to make this happen. Not saying it has to be 10 years, but you have an amazing advantage SO many people will never have with this accounting firm. Take advantage and grow your money even faster!! Hell, if you don't want to, call me, I have a degree in Actuarial Science with a minor in Finance. I will do it! ;-P

Lastly,  make this your own.  You want a lender that doesn't have such restrictions on you. Do take your dad's experience and lean on him for advice, but I would really suggest maybe talking to some conventional and hard money lenders to see how hard it would be to do this yourself.  

Just my two cents... 

Thanks Brian! Looks like we're sharing the same strategy. I'm more than willing to put in the 70+ hour work weeks in the firm, long hours don't bother me, and any free time is going to learning REI (not much time for anything else).

But I do agree with you and what others have said, REI needs to be my own. I won't get to where I want to get to without paving my own way, whether now or down the road.

Post: Frustrations With RE Investing

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 56
Originally posted by @Andrey Y.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Michael Plante:

Your dad is right CA is overvalued

forget about your dad

Make your own way

You have been mentally relying on your dad too long already 

You are frozen 

Get out in the world and invest where you want.  Which to me is outside CA

 I think you are right especially if pops doesn't own the  accounting firm.

Something doesn't add up.  Why don't you have any money if all you do is work?  Girls?...............lol.  Dealing and accounting for deals are not the same skill set,  compatible but still different.

 Dad does own the firm and it's very lucrative and it's what has provided him with plenty of income to develop properties.

I was pre-med for seven years before I decided to take over the family businesses, which wasn't until a few years ago. I do have money and no, I don't spend it on girls. 

  Why were you pre-med for 7 years? College takes 4. This leads me to believe you weren't willing to work hard and/or willing to do whatever it takes.

College/pre-med/applying took me 4 years and I went straight through. You could now be earning $300-500K per year not needing your dad to fund your deals. Focus and stop looking for the easy way.

4 years of college, 2 years for a masters, I took one year off to just study for the MCAT while doing hundreds of hours of volunteer work at hospitals all over So Cal and working part time. Not sure where you concluded that I don't work hard or don't want it bad enough.

I could be earning six figures right now had I not chosen to pursue medicine. That was a mistake on my part and I'm not blaming anyone for anything nor am I looking for an easy way out.

Post: Frustrations With RE Investing

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 56
Originally posted by @Joseph M.:

@Account Closed , Oh ok interesting you lived in Kansas City , never been there but heard good things. I've never really looked at prices there but $350k sounds high. With 20% down (loan of $280k) the note alone would eat up all your cash flow. 

Would this be an appreciation play? 

Edit: I just did a real quick search on KC on redfin and saw this. I'd probably be looking at stuff like that if I was looking in that market. Might be in a real bad area though since I know nothing about KC.

https://www.redfin.com/MO/Kansas-City/3212-Benton-...

A duplex for $64,000 . Listing shows  rents or projected rents of $  775 , $750 . 

Yea $350k is a bit high but the home (4bed/3bath) is in a good area that I frequented when I lived there. I'd probably have to go back and visit to and check out other areas for other properties under $100k. 

Post: Frustrations With RE Investing

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 56

Thank you all for the great advice! Some good stuff here that definitely lends perspective.

@Joseph M. I lived in Kansas City, Missouri for a bit so I am familiar with housing there. Houses in the area I am most familiar with go for around $350,000 with rent going for $1,200 - $1,400. I have enough saved up to put 20% down on one and use the rent and my income from work here to help pay for the rest.

Post: Frustrations With RE Investing

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 56
Originally posted by @Adriel Liwag:

@Account Closed - I didn't read through all the responses you've gotten but from what I've seen, I would definitely heed your dad's advice about not buying in LA/Cali right now. We are at the peak of the market and it's very very tough to find a good deal here. I just closed on my 4th flip in Highland Park and I'm gonna sit it out unless something falls on my lap. When it comes down to your dad willing to fund your deals or help with them, my mom is also willing to help fund my deals even though she has no clue about RE and she also has the old school mentality. She actually thinks I can still find something for $85k here in LA if I waited for the right time. LOL But the same as your dad, if she doesn't like the deal she won't lend the money. I've come to realize that I shouldn't rely on her help then. That I should know her money is an option if a super good deal came up but she wouldn't be my first go-to lender. If you have different ways of funding deals like your own money, I definitely would look into other markets. All this to say, listen to your dad about not buying here in the local market right now but don't just sit and wait and do nothing at all, definitely put your money to work elsewhere.

I'd be more than happy to grab coffee sometime if you'd like to chat in person. 

 Yea LA/California is pretty crazy at the moment. I wish $85k was still possible! 

Thanks Adriel! I'll shoot you message about grabbing coffee/chatting!

Post: Frustrations With RE Investing

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 56
Originally posted by @Anthony Gayden:

Wesam Saghir

Using your father's money to invest sounds like it is more a burden than it is worth.

As others have said, I strongly suggest you step out on your own. Find other real estate mentors aside from your father. There are a lot of ways to invest in RE, and it may benefit you to learn more about them.

I think one of the greatest gifts many of us received was the fact that we had to learn a lot about investing on our own and start with little or nothing.

 You could be right Anthony. Perhaps there is a fine line between having it as a great opportunity and it being a burden, and maybe it's become more of the latter. Either that or I'm just not putting in the work and being patient. 

I definitely do want to find other real estate mentors who can provide a different perspective on REI and I'm definitely learning as much as I can on my own aside from what he has taught me (this is not a post about me wanting to get a mentor).

Post: Frustrations With RE Investing

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 56
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Michael Plante:

Your dad is right CA is overvalued

forget about your dad

Make your own way

You have been mentally relying on your dad too long already 

You are frozen 

Get out in the world and invest where you want.  Which to me is outside CA

 I think you are right especially if pops doesn't own the  accounting firm.

Something doesn't add up.  Why don't you have any money if all you do is work?  Girls?...............lol.  Dealing and accounting for deals are not the same skill set,  compatible but still different.

 Dad does own the firm and it's very lucrative and it's what has provided him with plenty of income to develop properties.

I was pre-med for seven years before I decided to take over the family businesses, which wasn't until a few years ago. I do have money and no, I don't spend it on girls.