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All Forum Posts by: Vonetta Booker

Vonetta Booker has started 57 posts and replied 243 times.

Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Vonetta Booker

Technology has made it easier than ever to DIY manage rental properties - but, that doesn't mean it should always be done!

In our opinion, many OOS investors set themselves up for failure because they don't truly take the time to understand:

1) The Class of the NEIGHBORHOOD they are buying in - which is relative to the overall area.

2) The Class of the PROPERTY they are buying - which is relative to the overall area.

3) The Class of the TENANT POOL the Neighborhood & Property will attract - which is relative to the overall area.

4) The Class of the CONTRACTORS that will work on their Property, given the Neighborhood location - which is relative to the overall area.

5) The Class of the PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES (PMC) that will manage their Property, given the Neighborhood location and the Tenants it will attract - which is relative to the overall area.

6) That a Class X NEIGHBORHOOD will have mostly Class X PROPERTIES, which will only attract Class X TENANTS, CONTRACTORS AND PMCs and deliver Class X RESULTS.

7) That OOS property Class rankings are often different than the Class ranking of the local market they live.

8) Class A is relatively easy to manage, can even be DIY remote managed from another state. Can usually allot 5-10% vacancy factor and same for maintenance.

9) Class B usually also okay, but needs more attention from owner and/or PMC. Vacancy and maintenance factors should be higher than for Class A as homes will be older, have more deferred maintenance and tenants will be harder on them.

10) Class C can be relatively successful with a great PMC (do NOT hire the cheapest!), but very difficult to DIY remote manage. Vacancy and maintenance factors should be higher than for Class A or B. Homes will have even more deferred maintenance and tenants will be even harder on them.

11) Class D pretty much requires an OWNER to be on location and at the property 3-4 times/week. Most quality PMCs will not manage these properties as they understand most owners won’t pay them enough for the time required and even then it’s too difficult successfully manage them.
***Only exception is if an owner has plan & funds to reposition Class D to Class C or higher.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/776/topics/960183-what-they-dont-tell-you-about-cheap-rental-properties?highlight_post=5562799&page=3#p5562799

As a PMC in Metro Detroit, we receive lots of inquiries from owners about managing their rentals. A high percentage of them are inexperienced and just shopping by price - which is really a waste of time for a good PMC. Their inexperience is going to require "babysitting" them until they learn the business, which takes a lot of time, yet they want the lowest price!

So, if PMC's are not bending over backwards to get back to you, it may be because of that or #5 above.

Hope this insight helps!


Thanks for the insight, Drew!  I'd say my property is a B-C class; not knowing anything about Cleveland at first, I was fortunate to have a great realtor who guided me on getting to know the different areas better during my search (also during an actual visit out there). I was blown away at the cheaper prices at first - but quickly learned that it's definitely a "you get what you pay for" situation in terms of location! 

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

Remember: cheaper doesn't mean you'll make more money.

Start by going to www.narpm.org to search their directory of managers. These are professionals with additional training and a stricter code of ethics. It's no guarantee but it's a good place to start. You can also search Google and read reviews. Regardless of how you find them, try to interview at least three managers.

1. Ask how many units they manage and how much experience they have. If it's a larger organization, feel free to inquire about their staff qualifications.

2. Review their management agreement. Make sure it explicitly explains the process for termination if you are unhappy with their services, but especially if they violate the terms of your agreement.

3. Understand the fees involved and calculate the total cost for an entire year of management so you can compare the different managers. It may sound nice to pay a 6% management fee but the extra fees can add up to be more than the other company that charges 10% with no additional fees. Fees should be clearly stated in writing, easy to understand, and justifiable. Common fees will include a set-up fee, leasing fee for each turnover or a lease renewal fee, marking up maintenance, retaining late fees, and more. If you ask the manager to justify a fee and he starts hemming and hawing, move on or require them to remove the fee. Don't be afraid to negotiate, particularly if you have a lot of rentals.

4. Review their lease agreement and addenda. Think of all the things that could go wrong and see if the lease addresses them: unauthorized pets or tenants, early termination, security deposit, lease violations, late rent, eviction, lawn maintenance, parking, etc.

5. Don't just read the lease! Ask the manager to explain their process for dealing with maintenance, late rent, evictions, turnover, etc. If they are professional, they can explain this quickly and easily. If they are VERY professional, they will have their processes in writing as verification that policies are enforced equally and fairly by their entire staff.

6. Ask to speak with some of their current owners and current/former tenants. You can also check their reviews online at Google, Facebook, or Yelp. Just remember: most negative reviews are written by problematic tenants. The fact that a tenant is complaining online might be an indication the property manager dealt with them properly so be sure to ask the manager for their side of the story.

7. Look at their marketing strategy. Are they doing everything they can to expose properties to the widest possible market? Are their listings detailed with good quality photos? Can they prove how long it takes to rent a vacant property?

This isn't inclusive but should give you a good start. If you have specific questions about property management, I'll be happy to help!

Thanks @Nathan G., good list! I've been doing these things & will continue while also exploring backup possibilities. 

Quote from @Muhammad Amawi:

Hey Vonetta,

There's a really good property management company that a lot of my clients have worked with that I could refer over to you. Let me know if you're interested.

@Muhammad Amawi - sure, I'd appreciate that, please inbox me, thanks!

I didn't want to, but I am considering self-managing my newly-purchased SFR in Cleveland (I'm located in CT). Don't get me wrong, I feel like a good PM is invaluable and have no issues paying one their 10% to properly manage my property and take away my headaches. However, I have reached out to and interviewed several PMs, and there seems to be a big communication issue - a large number of them are unresponsive, replying w/ pertinent info days after they said they would - if at all. I figure if these issues happen in the mere beginning/inquiry stages, how are they going to effectively screen/place tenants & manage my properties?

Do any of you have long-distance properties that you manage yourself? If so, what resources & tools do you use?  I really wanted to use a PM, but at this point I'm seriously contemplating just letting my RE agent list it, screen the tenants & get a good handyman, plumber, electrician etc. to handle whatever issues come up. 

Post: Do you use a property manager for a house-hack?

Vonetta BookerPosted
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  • Stamford, CT
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@Steve J. - I totally hear you. I've used PMs in the past for my properties & it worked out great; now I'm looking at a possible house-hacking situation & have decided that I'd still go the PM route, for many of the reasons you've described. Whether we live at the same property or not, don't call me at 1a because your lightbulb burned out, bruh. PM will handle that, especially if the $$ you save on house-hacking give you more room to afford a good one. A lot of BP-ers talk about the money-saving aspect of the DIY approach - but the reduced aggravation & time saved balances that out & is just as valuable (if not more), in my book.  

I think that PMs still go a long way in maintaining a business vs. neighbor relationship.  Plus as an investor, you need to know your strengths & weaknesses and be ready to outsource the latter to maintain your business efficiency - regardless of the proximity to your tenants. I know that I personally have no desire whatsoever to deal with tenants directly on a regular basis when it comes to management - I don't care how close they are. I'll say "hi" as a neighbor & keep it moving.  You got a leak? Call the PM & they'll sort things right on out.  At the end of the day, your business is just that - and you, not your tenants, call the shots on how you want it set up.   

Post: Contacting owners of houses that LOOK vacant?

Vonetta BookerPosted
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  • Stamford, CT
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Originally posted by @Tyler Weaver:

Well if they are letting the house get "plain ol' raggedy" then there is a chance there is a reason and they are looking to turn their equity into cash. 

You can just say you are looking to buy houses in that area as rentals or whatever your strategy is, and that their house appears to be a great size and look that you are going for or whatnot. It doesn't help if you say "your house looks like garbage, want to sell it?" 

Basically you are looking for a skip-tracing service. There are several out there that will charge per lead or you can do a batch at a time. Another option is an app like Deal Machine or PropStream that have skip tracing, can send letters, etc from the app while you are driving for dollars. 

Thanks, Tyler--the "great size/look" mention is a good way to phrase things--MUCH better than "your house looks like garbage, want to sell it?--which is what I"m thinking but of course, won't quite go over as well if I said it out loud, lol. ;-)

I'll also check out the skip tracing services you mentioned, thanks. 

Post: Contacting owners of houses that LOOK vacant?

Vonetta BookerPosted
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  • Stamford, CT
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I've been seeing a lot of homes during my recent "dollar drives" that *look* vacant (i.e. rundown, overgrown grass, no car in yard, etc.) --but I'm not sure if that's the case, or if it's actually occupied & the house is just plain ol' raggedy, lol. 

Is there a way to approach the owners to ask whether the house is vacant without offending them (in the event they still live there)?  And if they do, do you go ahead and ask them if they're still interested in selling? (Which I guess couldn't hurt since they're already on the phone, lol.)  

Any thoughts / feedback appreciated!

Post: Paying Seller AFTER Renovation?

Vonetta BookerPosted
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  • Stamford, CT
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Thanks for everyone's great input!  Yes, taking title to the property--that was the missing piece, very essential & makes total sense.  @Rick Pozos, I also like your suggestion re. giving the seller 2nd lien as an added protection for them. 

Your atty. (in conjunction w/ the seller's) would be the one(s) to handle the title change, correct?
 

Post: Paying Seller AFTER Renovation?

Vonetta BookerPosted
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Has anyone ever worked a deal out with a seller in which you'd renovate their house first, list it fully rehabbed--and then pay them their asking price out of the ARV?

The strategy was mentioned in the book I'm currently reading, "The Book On Negotiating Real Estate" by J. Scott, Mark Ferguson & Carol Scott. It sounds like a great addition to one's creative strategies arsenal--but there are a couple of things I'm still trying to figure out. For example, I'm assuming that one would take out a loan for the rehab (probably via a private lender, since a HML will want 1st lien?)--let's say the repairs cost $50k. The seller wants $100k, and the ARV is $200k. This would mean that after paying back the $50k rehab loan + $100k to the seller, that'll leave me w/ a $50k profit, yes?

For anyone who's ever done this, what deal/contract did you negotiate w/ the seller?  Did you give them a deposit to seal the deal?  How to ensure that the seller won't reneg on the deal after the renovations are done?  And what's to be done in the event the house doesn't sell? 

Like I said, it sounds like a great strategy for the right situation--I just want to make sure I understand it fully.  Thanks! ;-)

Post: Wanted: Savvy Seller Deal Negotiator

Vonetta BookerPosted
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I'm looking to partner up with a fellow investor whose strength is in converting private seller leads. I make the initial contacts with sellers via networking, mailings, word-of-mouth, etc.--and my ideal partner will use both creative and standard structures to get deals under contract. I'm also looking to hone my deal negotiation skills during this partnership, as well. Basically I set 'em up, you knock 'em down--and profits will be split 50/50.

Pls PM me if interested to chat further. Thanks!