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All Forum Posts by: Vincent Chen

Vincent Chen has started 39 posts and replied 208 times.

Post: Word from the Smokies: The patient isn't dead, but...

Vincent ChenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Philadephia, PA
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Leora Merrell:
Quote from @Ken Boone:
Quote from @Vincent Chen:

@Ken Boone It is interesting to your situation.

I think it comes down to local market, cabins are all investors and capital driven price. Yes, people go to Smokies for sure, but ownership of cabins are investors seeking returns, if return flat or decline, capital driven will be lower for sure. So my thought is, the price might need to be lower to make the return make sense.

When it comes to competition, it is kind of really hard to stand out for all the investors, including views, services. Competition cause more effort and more input (marketing, operations, etc) and drive return even lower.

So right now smokies area need to be really care for the return perspective and exit strategy, most likely you can only sell to investors who seeking returns, which is around or less than bond.


 Don't get me wrong in my situation.   There is a drastic difference between how these 2 cabins are performing this year with almost equal feature parity.  The former has been a top performer for 4 years and all of the sudden it is not.  The new one was built to be of similar status as this other top performing cabin.  However, I bought well, so even at the reduced performance I am cash flowing very well.  I always purchased with the idea if the rent drops 50% I can still cash flow so I am good from that perspective.  Just can't explain the drastic performance difference between these two cabins.   It is just another incentive to continue to try and build a more constant direct booking stream to remove the needed dependency on the main OTAs.


 I have the same situation between two cabins. One was built and listed 6 months before the second. Both sleep the same amount of people, have the same (very, very good views), same amenities and nearly the same excellent reviews. They were neck and neck performance wise for 18 months. Now, one has drastically dropped (the one with the higher review score, actually). The only reason I can think of why is algorithms on Airbnb and VRBO. Like you, it's still cash flowing wonderfully because of when and how I bought but it's very strange to me. Good to hear it's not only me experiencing something like this. I'll be curious if eventually it switches and the cabins reverse in performance if this is an algorithm thing.


 If that is the case, then it is platform issues which investor can not predict or handle.

Just curious that even if you still have good cash flow, how is the equity looks like? Like I said, most likely you need sell to investors not retail buyers. So if overall the cash flow not good and cost of finance high, selling price need to adjusted to that

Post: Word from the Smokies: The patient isn't dead, but...

Vincent ChenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Philadephia, PA
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 34

@Ken Boone Thanks for clarify.

I got your situations, that is what I mean that sometime it is hard to tell/attribution/underwrite which one will stand out for competition. Even almost everything is the same, still can have huge difference. You can not tell which one really works.

And again, any solutions in tend to make performance better cause effort/capital, may or may not work as well.

So it is good time to think about which one really worth holding and holding for how long.

Post: Word from the Smokies: The patient isn't dead, but...

Vincent ChenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Philadephia, PA
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 34

@Ken Boone It is interesting to your situation.

I think it comes down to local market, cabins are all investors and capital driven price. Yes, people go to Smokies for sure, but ownership of cabins are investors seeking returns, if return flat or decline, capital driven will be lower for sure. So my thought is, the price might need to be lower to make the return make sense.

When it comes to competition, it is kind of really hard to stand out for all the investors, including views, services. Competition cause more effort and more input (marketing, operations, etc) and drive return even lower.

So right now smokies area need to be really care for the return perspective and exit strategy, most likely you can only sell to investors who seeking returns, which is around or less than bond.

Post: Repricing: When does it back to normal?

Vincent ChenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Philadephia, PA
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 34

@Immanuel Sibero When I say normal, I mean cap rate, interest rate and price has to be in reasonable relationship, for instance, if interest rate is 6%, cap rate can not be 3%. And to make it financeable, at least it can cash flow after expense and mortgage, and meet DSCR ratio for 1.2 or higher. Do the math, the cap rate has to higher than interest rate to make it happen.

And expected growth of the rent is much lower and expense is much higher, so consider the NOI decrease, and cash flow depressed, the cap rate will even higher, maybe cap rate 7~8% to just make the deal make sense.

Post: Repricing: When does it back to normal?

Vincent ChenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Philadephia, PA
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 34

Not experience investor ,just from finance backgroud

Current market condition is clear, the interest rate will going up for whole year, and most likely all the fees for apartment buiding (tax, insurance, etc) will go up and rents will flatt or decline, so NOI is going down for sure.


The only way to make it financeable is to increase the cap rate, down the price to at least meet the DSCR ratio (base on the high interest rate), so this is repricing process. But we do not see this happen yet, so when does it back to normal?

Post: How We Added $650k of Value to a 6-Plex in Scottsdale, AZ

Vincent ChenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Philadephia, PA
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 34

The math showed the equity is around 400k?


And what cap rate do you calculate the value right now?

Just curious about the market right now

Post: $1.7 Million In Value Created In 12 Months On This One Commercial Deal.

Vincent ChenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Philadephia, PA
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 34

Good Story, how can you get all the leased done and add the value?

Post: Worst Mistakes while investing in multi-family

Vincent ChenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Philadephia, PA
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 34

@Taylor L. Agree with that, but in the day-to-day operation, how much should we involve? When to increase the rent, how to execute the process and how to make sure the expense reasonable, maintenance or Capex?

Post: Worst Mistakes while investing in multi-family

Vincent ChenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Philadephia, PA
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 34

@Taylor L. Totally agree with that, but what is the best practice to manage the property managers? What is best involvement should the investors get into the multifamily investment?

Post: Do people like losing money in the Smoky Mountains?

Vincent ChenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Philadephia, PA
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 34

@Kurt Calderone Would like to know what revenue do you have for this high end STR? Like 1.5 M house, can you get more than 250k revenue?