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All Forum Posts by: Vernon Trice III

Vernon Trice III has started 22 posts and replied 54 times.

HEY BP FAMILY! At this moment I have sent some direct mail to potential properties and its not filling up my pipeline the way I would like. I need help getting deals coming in. Any suggestions? I am looking for smaller multifamily deals between 15-35 units. I already have investors willing to invest with me I just need the deal 

Does anyone have an example of a prospecting letter to use for direct mail marking? The target would be multifamily properties.

Originally posted by @Erik W.:

The investors gets paid in one or more of three ways (that I know of):

1) Preferred dividends.  Paid from cash flow first after all expenses.  If returns are not sufficient to pay expenses, this amount may not be paid.

2) General dividends.  Paid after expenses and preferred dividends.  If returns are not sufficient to pay preferred dividends, this amount may not be paid.

3) A share of profits when the investment is liquidated

The agreement filed when the syndication begins determines what types of payouts there are, when they happen, and who gets what proportion.  Some deals have preferred dividends; some don't.  Some may not even have any dividends at all and may simply hold on until liquidation of the asset.

Example:

Deal = $1,000,000 all in.

Bob, Joe and Sue each contribute $200,000.  Total:  $600,000.

Eight other investors each contribute $50,000.  Total: $400,000.

The partnership agreement states that Bob, Joe and Sue each get preferred dividends of 5% of the free cash flow profit since their contribution is significantly higher than the eight "other" investors.  Further, all investors get 2% per $50,000 invested as general dividends. 

In year 1, the investment returns $100,000 after all expenses paid.

Bob, Joe and Sue each get a preferred dividend check of $5,000.  Total of $15,000 paid in preferred dividends, leaving $85,000 profit.

The eight other investors only received a general dividend check for $2,000 because each of them contributed only $50,000.   Bob, Joe, and Sue also each received checks for $8000 since they contributed four $50,000 "chunks".  (2% * 4 * $100,000) = $8,000 each for them on top of their preferred dividends.  Total of $40,000 in general dividends paid out.

Summed up, a total of $65,000 is distributed in dividends and the remaining $35,000 is kept in the investment as liquid capital for contingencies, etc.

Dividends may be a set amount vs. a percentage, and if there's only enough cash flow in any given year to pay out preferred dividends, then the general dividend investors do not get paid that year.

That's very high level and could be adjusted in many ways to fit the goal of the syndication. I also kept the $ amounts low for simplicity.

 Eric thanks for the explanation and example! Very knowledgeable and very well explained thanks!

Originally posted by @Erik Hatch:

Vernon,

That depends, but a typical scenario would be a scheduled payment plus interest and a share of the equity increase when the property is sold. Something like a 70/30 split where the limited partners get 70 percent and general partners get 30 percent. 8% return for the scheduled payments is currently typical and usually investments start at $50,000.

 Hey Eric thanks for that information. Thats clear and exactly what I needed thanks!

I understand how the deal syndicator will get paid on a deal (asset management fee, acquisition fee, etc) but how (specifically) would an investor who puts money into a deal get paid? Concept and examples are appreciated.

Looking to provide syndicators value with sweat equity and hard work. Also with time and knowledge. I am looking to learn all facets of the process that goes into being a syndicator and would love to learn from my BP community. Would love to work along side of you as well. Looking forward to talking with all of you!

Originally posted by @Brian Garrett:

The purpose of pre-payment penalties is to protect the lenders interests and ensure profit.

They only make money while the loan is issued so the longer you keep it the more they make.

In the event you want to get out early they charge a "penalty" to hedge what they lose in interest.I

I see. Since they make money off of lending money they need to be compensated for ending their revenue stream. Understandable. A follow up question would be how come residential loans dont have this? They are making money off of the loan correct so why not charge a penalty to close it early?

When obtaining an interest only commercial real estate loan, why are there penalties associated with paying the debt off early? What are the pros and cons of both sides and why would anyone do it ? Or not do it for that matter?

Hey BP! There are some Madison city homes for sale and need some analysis on what the price should be for them. Whats a good cash flowing number. Rents are 1850 and houses are less than 5 years old. What do you think?

Would like to get a discussion of those who invest in multfamily properties in Madsion / Huntsville AL. Wondering where they find deals, how they structure the deal, how they structure their business, and any other information they are willing to share. Appreicaite the widsom!