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All Forum Posts by: Tyler Erickson

Tyler Erickson has started 6 posts and replied 40 times.

Post: Appraisal on +5 units

Tyler EricksonPosted
  • Appraiser
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 58

@Brianne Leichliter @Patrick Britton I'll answer you both simultaneously, as the answers are sort of linked together. First off, an appraisal can change in any realistic timeframe. Fix-and-flips happen in the commercial sector all the time and that dramatically changes the appraised value. So don't worry about that. The two ways to change a property's value is to alter market behavior or to alter the subject's qualities. It's tremendously easier to change the subject property's qualities over changing how the market behaves, and altering the NOI is one way of doing that.

Let me walk through, very, very generally, the process most appraisers take to arrive at a value conclusion for the income approach.

First, an effective gross income is derived for the subject property. This is usually similar to the owner's pro forma. This effective gross income is then compared to similar properties in similarly competitive markets. In other words, this is the part where rental income is compared to similar properties. The contracted rents from the owner is most important when deciding potential income for the subject property, but it's measured against the market to determine if that is below, at, or above market rents in the area. 

Second, net operating income is derived for the subject property which is, basically, EGI minus expenses. Again, this is usually taken directly from the owner's pro forma (and weighted against the comps, if there are any). Some appraisers will simply take the owner's word at their own expenses for the most part, if the figures are somewhat reasonable. Appraisers measure the market and know industry standards, but the owner is considered to be more knowledgeable about his/her property than the appraiser and those figures are generally trusted. In any case, those figures are sometimes measured against expense comparables in the area to check if they are reasonable. If there is a discrepancy, such as with fixed operating expenses being much higher in the market than the owner depicts, then the benefit of the doubt is usually given to the market's typical expenses. In all cases, there will usually be a blended estimation of expenses based on the owner's pro forma and the comps. However, this is where documentation comes into play. If the owner is diligent about their expenses and can prove any discrepancies, then they can make a strong case to increase the report's NOI for the property. Perhaps you purchased a top-of-the-line boiler and your energy costs are 25% lower because of that... Those documents should be sent to the appraiser (including subsequent energy bills). The appraiser will then, most likely, use that information and give the most weight to your own historical data instead of relying on market data, despite a strong discrepancy. Remember that the appraiser's license is on the line and it gets riskier and riskier the more people are "trusted" in the report instead of using actual, quantifiable, and measurable data. If you provide the appraiser with that data, then they protect themselves and everybody is generally happy. For this reason, they won't usually add in a bunch of expenses that aren't usually present in the rest of the market. The data in the report usually isn't shocking or surprising and the numbers are usually very "average" if an expense profile needs to created for the subject (like new construction properties). 

Third, cap rates are derived for the property. Appraisers use different methods depending on the market, industry, asset class, etc. But it usually heavily leans on expense/income documentation and is weighed against national/regional cap rates. The methodology can get cumbersome, so I'll spare you the details. 

Fourth, the cap rate is mathematically factored into the subject's calculated NOI and an opinion of value is developed based on that formula. 

So all in all, you can absolutely alter your NOI and effectively alter your property's value, even if you just got an appraisal done. The biggest key is to keep strong documentation of all money going in and out of that building and why. After that, if you disagree with an appraisal, then give the appraiser a reason to change the opinion of value. Always be respectful (which is a good tip in all aspects of life), but ask that they consider other data, different comparables, etc. An appraiser is usually ethically bound to consider all new information and is restricted from ignoring it in the report. Even if they disagree with your comparables, for example, they'll usually update the report and explain why those comparables weren't utilized in the analysis. 

Remember that when it comes to commercial leases, triple net leases are pretty common and they're a relatively simple way to deal with CAM/tax/maintenance/improvement expenses so that it doesn't come out of your pocket. So that's a useful tool to explore if you haven't, already. On a related note... Here's an interesting story. A client of ours in the past told us that he was sued by a tenant for having that tenant pay for his share of the roof and the tenant ended up winning. Not because a roof can't be included as a CAM expense, and not because a tenant isn't responsible for capital expenditures... That can all be worked out in the lease. The issue was that he referred to the new roof as a liability (as an expense) when it was, in fact, an asset that was an "expense". What this tenant should have been paying for was the depreciative expenses associated with a new roof, not the liability of purchasing a new roof (this isn't allowed on your taxes, either, for the most part). In any case, I'm not an accountant or a lawyer, but it's something to consider and discuss with your attorney when setting up your leases. Just a tip!

@Sadie Bynum I scrolled through most of these responses and couldn’t see a similar response, but I apologize if someone already mentioned this.

I work in a valuation firm and for the most part, an appraiser's measurements are going to be more accurate than the county's records or the MLS (which is usually taken from county records or potentially haphazardly measured by an agent).

The other aspect of this is that only heated space ABOVE GRADE counts as gross living area. So basements and splits with any floor below grade don’t count as GLA.

Don’t worry, however, this is adjusted accordingly with comps (similar 2000sf GLA properties with a 1000sf basement are better than 3000sf GLA properties with no basement, for example).

If the appraiser did get it that wrong, then you do have some options... Including simply telling your lender that you disagree with the value for the square footage reason, and the appraiser will complete this as a revision. That’s probably your best option, in the event that it’s the appraiser’s fault.

Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions!

Victoria, I’m not casting any judgment on you based on a few forum posts, but I’d recommend not being so combative with the people in this thread. All of them are just trying to understand your situation and help. There are a few details that don’t seem to be adding up, so they are requesting further information. In any case, nobody here owes you anything. They’re only doing it because they want to help you. Putting words in their mouth and being so dismissive of their comments isn’t helping. 

As others have said above, just sell the car and buy a cheap one until you can stabilize yourself in your new home. It’s a small price to pay to alleviate this “pain and suffering”. Good luck with your situation. 👌

Post: Appraisal on +5 units

Tyler EricksonPosted
  • Appraiser
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 58

In the dozens of larger MF complexes I've appraised, I've never had to "guess" regarding expenses or the NOI. Sometimes, I have to use industry standards for expenses, including market standards. This can vary greatly depending on the type of commercial real estate (industrial is vastly different from a hotel, for example). For larger MF complexes, it's usually fairly straight-forward. Most of the time, this information is given to us regarding the subject property. If you're asking about how we obtain information about rent schedules and so forth for comparables, there are a number of ways to do it. Our membership on various sites gives us access to this information, but sometimes we literally pick up the phone and call a management company or owner of a comparable property to obtain this information. Of course, not everyone is willing to tell us this, but most people tend to be fairly friendly about it. Of course, sometimes we simply cannot find actual rents. So then we need to dive into various regression analyses in order to arrive at a conclusion about the expected rent for the area.

As far as the appraised value... It also depends greatly on the purpose of the appraisal report. NOI is always a heavy component when deriving a value based on a sales comparison approach or income capitalization approach. But not every value is derived from these approaches. The income capitalization approach takes into account market forces and income, thus arriving at a projection regarding cash flow that may or may not end up being accurate. The third main appraisal method is to use the cost approach, which ignores the market a bit and only regards the cost to replicate the structure exactly. 

The rules and standards regarding commercial appraisals aren't as strict as residential appraisals, ironically. So every appraiser tends to do it differently. But what I described above is pretty typical for most appraisers. And I know it's a bit vague, but there are so many different ways of approaching appraisals based on thousands of variables that it's hard to effectively answer your question without making it a tad long-winded. 

Are you looking for a full remodel contractor/designer or just ideas to move forward with? 

It honestly looks like it’d be a pretty big job to convert it from this to a “wework” type of workspace. They’re usually very well-designed and aesthetically pleasing, compared to just throwing up movable cubicle walls. 

@Ronald Rohde Thank you for your feedback! I had the same thought-process as you and am happy to hear that you generally agree that there is some benefit to combined services. 

I have been working with commerical lenders, so I have some experience with commercial real estate, but it's usually at the 'front end' of the transaction and almost always regards a purchase. After that, the investor moves along and we lose touch. So I simply don't know how sought-after these types of services are, especially since many commercial property owners will 'rehab' a property after owning it for a while or entirely revamp their brand/image at various stages of their investment... Which is something that I don't often get to see after the sale takes place. 

Are you a commercial investor? 

Post: Investing in the Minneapolis St Paul market?

Tyler EricksonPosted
  • Appraiser
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 58

Hey Sasha! There are absolutely some good deals in this area. What type of investments are you looking into right now? 

The Twin Cities (Mpls/St Paul) is an excellent place to invest. Probably it’s greatest strength is in its economy, which is behind only Chicago in the Midwest. But even further, the unemployment rate is something around 2.5% right now, which is well under the national average. 

Second, PwC’s Emerging Trends in Real Estate Report lists the Twin Cities as being the number one place to invest in Multifamily residential in the US. 

Third, the Minneapolis area has high wages, low vacancy, and higher-than-average appreciation. Job growth is high, the job market is stable, we’re home to many Fortune 500 companies, etc. 

Fourth, education and safety has always been incredibly strong in Minnesota. Minnesota is often named the best state to raise a family, with Minneapolis taking the crown amongst US metropolitan cities numerous times in the past handful of years. 

Also, we invented Juicy Lucy’s... Which may be one of our strongest selling points. 

PM me if you want further information or insight about the better areas to invest, or conversely, areas to avoid. I’m not a realtor or anything but can help connect you with the right people. I currently work as an appraiser, so I have a fairly intimate knowledge of the area and will help in any way I can. 

Good luck with your ventures! 

Post: Avoid Padhawk if you like money

Tyler EricksonPosted
  • Appraiser
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 58

This is why I love the BP community. It’s terrible that some people have had bad experiences with this company, but despite the differences in opinion and experiences with the company, everybody is on the same side here. Great advice all-around and it even looks like a Padhawk employee or representative (presumably) was able to come on here to help clear things up. I imagine this situation will be resolved entirely relatively soon. This is great to see! 👍

Post: In search for hard money lenders

Tyler EricksonPosted
  • Appraiser
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Tim Swierczek:

@Alex Speed please PM me. 

 I can attest to Tim being an awesome person to work with and a good guy, in general. He’s investor-minded and will absolutely benefit you tremendously. 

Hey all!

I just wanted to get some feedback from the commercial real estate veterans out there. I currently manage a commercial real estate valuation firm with a Certified General Appraiser that has over a dozen years of experience doing real estate appraisals in countless cities, spread across numerous industries. Casinos, timber land, office buildings, retail, international airports... You name it, she's probably done it. However, most of this work was performed for a firm she didn't own, so she wants to break out on her own. I am currently helping her with that and procuring work while training in as an appraiser. 

Which brings me to the point of the discussion. I recently met a contractor/salesman that works specifically in the fixture industry for commercial properties. They are a full-service, nationwide fixture firm that has done work for clients that dominate the retail, banking, restaurant, coffee shop, etc. industries. I'll avoid mentioning any specific companies in order to maintain confidentiality. They are big-time players, however, that typically have numerous brick and mortar locations in most major cities across the US. 

Can anybody confirm or deny if there is a demand for a full-package firm for commercial real estate owners like this? In this case, "full-package" would include everything, start to finish, for improving or updating commercial real estate properties... From an in-person consultation regarding the specificities of the work needed to be performed; custom-fabricated or sourced fixtures ranging from lamps and chandeliers to countertops/flooring and murals; a full design proposal; contractor services; shipping and installation of the fixtures; and complete with two commercial appraisals. One as-is (before construction/value-add) and one after improvements are completed. Of course, the commercial appraisals would be completely impartial and maintain the highest ethical standards. As such, the senior appraiser wouldn't be involved in the rest of the process at all. 

I've been doing some research and it doesn't seem like there are many firms out there that offer these services, let alone a start-to-finish value-add system like this that I am interested in potentially moving forward with. It'd change the dynamics of both of our companies quite a bit... Thoughts?

Thanks in advance!