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All Forum Posts by: Joshua Berube

Joshua Berube has started 6 posts and replied 64 times.

Post: building a fourplex as my first deal. trial by fire.

Joshua BerubePosted
  • Contractor
  • victoria, bc
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

@Caroline Hedin

no, the price is just his to do his work, the permits and what not will be added to this. all in all he figures around 40 grand before I'm allowed to put a shovel in the ground.

Post: building a fourplex as my first deal. trial by fire.

Joshua BerubePosted
  • Contractor
  • victoria, bc
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

I realize that I haven't posed a whole lot, it seems that so much time is needed between the beginning steps.. sorry.. Im hoping that once the ball is fully rolling that things will move more quickly. please don't be afraid to ask questions.. im interested in what you have to say and it will help keep me focused. thanks you

Post: building a fourplex as my first deal. trial by fire.

Joshua BerubePosted
  • Contractor
  • victoria, bc
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

As I am moving forward with my plans, the people on the sidelines are getting more interested. the friend I have in Alberta told me that if the numbers work, he will put money in and pouch up to help me build it.  others are watching closely waiting on a plan...

even if everything hits the fan, I will be completely debt free by Christmas,  so having enough for a 25% percent down by the option deadline will be really easy.. unless I get fired again, which isn't going to happen because this job is better than sleeping n my truck

Post: building a fourplex as my first deal. trial by fire.

Joshua BerubePosted
  • Contractor
  • victoria, bc
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

Alright.
  Its been awhile since I have posted, and to be honest, been on the site. but I haven't forgotten BP at all, or this thread. A lot has happened since I last posted, so here it goes..

 I have found a surveyor to get the layout of the property. It turns out that my property is possibly located on top of old mine shafts that run through this area of the city. I have found a map of the old mines and this property is right on the edge of the mine zone. Im told that this shouldn't matter because the foundation wounldnt go that deep, more of a crawl space than a basement. the surveyor cost ~$1500 (Canadian)
  the next step, according to my mentor, was to find an architect, which was harder than I think it should have been. I was told not to skimp when it came to an architect because his/her finished product would make it easier to sell to investor, and while that made sense to me, of the 3 or 4 firms that I called only one returned my call and made an appointment. its possible that I didn't push enough to get a sit down, though I kind of feel that if they didn't bother to return a call, they wouldn't have paid as much attention to my project as would like. The one guy who did return my call, so far, has turned out to be great. fully supportive of what I want to do and seems to think that I have a good viable plan. I am a fan of the way he thinks. he will take an idea and follow the idea path in his head, letting it lead him wherever the idea goes.. its refreshing, similar to the way I like to think.
 we came up with an interesting foot print

the jut outs are the entrances and the pen lines around the building would be hedges for privacy. 
 I am getting the interior layout tomorrow I think, and then I believe I can start getting actual prices off contractors. both my mentor and the architect believe my ballpark numbers of 120$ sq/ft are fairly accurate, which would put the build at around 125,000-130,000 per unit. the architect, who is more local than my mentor, figures the units would be worth ~150,000 - 160,000 each. I am going to go to a realtor to confirm once I get the prints.

 Financially, this is going to be a challenge. like most contractors in my industry, for the first three or four years I didn't my taxes. My fault, no excuses, pay your taxes kids (write that down. its important..) three years ago I decided to change that and sorted my jazz out. I owed over 25000 in income tax and 7 grand in GST (goods and services tax) I currently owe 4 grand on the income tax @ $290 every two weeks, I took a loan out to pay the government but  I didn't want to take out a loan again for the gst, so the nice lady on the phone kindly accepted a promise to pay of 1000 every two weeks until its paid off.  everything will be paid off by November (ish) I wont have much of a float then because during this time I also have to find 7500$ to pay the architect. I have paid a grand already and have a bank draft for 2500 sitting at home waiting to be handed over. I have looked at my paychecks going forward, and I think I that I can do this.. the numbers work.. barely.

I also learned a bit about myself this summer. I realized that I have a hard time grinding and I lose focus of my goals really quickly when I get into the rut the grind creates. this is the point I tend to shoot myself in the foot.
  I had a decent a job maybe ten minutes from my house that should have lasted into this spring, but I worked with guys who would rather talk about G.O.T. instead of working, and the work they did I would have to go back and repair. they were getting paid the same as me, or higher and everyone was find with this. I wasn't. I know now to keep my mouth shut, but at this point I had forgotten my goals and let the immediate,, small problems dictate my future.. I 'spoke' up and lost motivation to do my job and I got fired. I live on an island, and this company has ALL the work here... really stupid of me. So, I found a job in Vancouver and spent the summer sleeping in my truck because I couldn't rationalize paying two rents.

 A far more important reason for me to sleep in my truck is that I recognize the pattern of shooting myself in the foot when things are going well for me. This NEEDED to stop. Because I was living in my truck, my parents decided not to come visit me. they are getting up there, and im not sure how much longer they will be around. Them deciding not to visit me and the fact I was living in my truck at my age hit me right in the feels. I was ashamed. I still am. I understand that I shouldn't be. That sometimes in life **** hits the fan. But at the end of the day everything that has happened to me is the results of choices I made. conscious or otherwise. and my choices lead to me sleeping in my truck on the side of the street at Wal-Mart. this has to change. I cant be the person I want to be and have these habits. I cant. I cant....

  I have only told a few people this story ( I have distanced myself from most of my group because no one among them strives for anything ) and everyone has responded with 'you shouldn't be so hard on yourself' ********. ********. I have to be hard on myself. I have to be. no one else will be. If I am not hard on myself I will stop trying to be better. I will be fine with my flaws, and be fine with accepting what life hands to me. If I am not hard on myself I will become comfortable. I hate being comfortable.

the bright side is that the Vancouver job paid substantially more than the job on the Island, but at the end of june, the owner who fired me called me and offered my job back on the island at the same rate as I was making in Vancouver. It not at the job ten minutes away from the house, and I have to commute 1 1/2 hrs each way, but the job is on the island and I don't have to sleep in my truck. ill take that as a win

Post: building a fourplex as my first deal. trial by fire.

Joshua BerubePosted
  • Contractor
  • victoria, bc
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

@Paul McDonald

I was considering all the options available to me. If I had decided to go with the two duplexes, yeah I would have built one, moved into it and rent the other side, then build the second duplex. I have decided on building a single building.

 I was working a hourly wage job, though I've decided to find partners to help me finance and build. I have a friend who owns a foundation company and is semi looking to get into real estate. though nervous, he is open to the idea. he has some money and experience. I am looking at private lenders to finance the rest. I have talked with a few that have shown some interest, and we are planning to get into more detail when i get the prelim design completed.

@Chris L.

 I'm not really sure what the process is. I had my lawyer handle that. maybe I should know the steps?
I thought about that when I was making the offer. I asked the realitor about verifying andgetting some sort of confirmation, he gave a half answer and side stepped the question. I, to my shame, didn't press. I was too nervous,and didnt want to seem pushy. I wont make that mistake again.

the seller is one of the people who are interesting in financing this build, so I'm happy with how the deal turned out.

Post: Fourplex plan

Joshua BerubePosted
  • Contractor
  • victoria, bc
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

without any more information, it seems like it is. place an offer. you'll find out if its worth it in due dilligance

Post: building a fourplex as my first deal. trial by fire.

Joshua BerubePosted
  • Contractor
  • victoria, bc
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

@Dave G..

yes, it already zoned for a 4plex, and yes I would love to increase the density. The property is easily large enough for a 6plex, possibly and 8plex.

the previous owner is older and just never got around to the build.

I'm not yet sure how I am going to work the outside. I have looked through some designs online, and am constantly going through possible layouts in my head. There is much that depends on what the survey says. I have an appointment for next week, so I should know soon enough.

I am also contacting designers and will be setting appointments post haste.

thank you for the interest!

Post: building a fourplex as my first deal. trial by fire.

Joshua BerubePosted
  • Contractor
  • victoria, bc
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

Hi Everyone

 I have some updates for my project.

I have found myself a mentor. he is a GC with close to 40 years experience who is currently developing 8 townhouses for some local investors.  I sat down with him last week and went over my plans and what my next few steps would be. I had some thought on what my first couple of steps were, but I want sure. It is a giant relief to have actual steps. its easier to choose inaction when the steps are vague.

 I have also set an appointment with a surveyor for tomorrow evening. while I have no idea what to ask, I do know that I need to talk to more then one. I asked in another thread about whether or not I should tell the surveyor that I am seeking other bids. J Scott was nice enough to respond, and in seeing his name, I was reminded of a section of his second podcast with BP, where he talked about getting the first contractor to explain his field to you, so that you know what to ask in the following meetings. I went back and listened  to the podcast again. gold.

That is something that I have been addicted to lately. Podcasts. I work at a place where I am currently able to listen to a device and I have been like a sponge. for the last two months I have been listening on average of 44-48 hours a week. I can actually feel myself changing because of it. Im more focused, I;ve started running, Im eating better... overall just.. better..

im excited for whats coming up

joshua  

Post: multiple quotes from contractors

Joshua BerubePosted
  • Contractor
  • victoria, bc
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

thank you both for the prompt reply.

Post: multiple quotes from contractors

Joshua BerubePosted
  • Contractor
  • victoria, bc
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

hi all

I'm going to talk to a surveyor tomorrow, and plan on talking to a few mote after that.. should I let them know that I'm going to be talking to their competition?