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All Forum Posts by: Tom Ott

Tom Ott has started 941 posts and replied 4593 times.

Post: Rust Belt Cities or Sun Belt Cities for MF???

Tom OttPosted
  • Equity Raiser and Turnkey Provider
  • Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Colin M.:

Im based in NYC, looking to make my next property investment.

Wondering what you (BP Community) would choose - a MF building in the Rust Belt (Cleveland, Columbus, Cinn) or further south (Orlando, Atlanta, Charlotte) .... Or other for what reasons?

Long term buy and hold, 4 unit property primarily.

Cleveland is a great place for SFR and MF. Prices are low and rents are going up. Demand is way up as well as people are putting off buying a home for another year or two right now.

Good luck to you! 

Post: Kansas City, MO vs. Cleveland, OH

Tom OttPosted
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  • Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Taylor Woodbury:

I know this is based some on opinion and individual experiences, but what has been the experience of people that have invested in either or (even better) both of these markets? Which one tends to have higher cash flows in A and B class neighborhoods when all is said and done? Are there any key advantages or disadvantages to either area that I should be aware of? I currently have rentals in Utah where the appreciation has been fantastic, but the cash flow is not great for my current goals. Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

 Cleveland is a great place for investments. I have heard that KC is flooded with investors so you often have bidding wars. Cleveland is less flooded so you have better deals. The taxes may be a bit higher, but often so are the rents so the cash flow works out. Just know the neighborhood you are investing in! Good luck!

Post: Turnkey property and Bad inspection

Tom OttPosted
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  • Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Dreama Rice:

Hi everyone. My husband and I are new investors with 1 inherited property. We started listening to podcasts and decided to go down the path of financial freedom through real estate. We plan on investing about 15-20 grand into the inherited home because it has not been updated in over 20 years and the property was smoked in. Any advice or suggestion on removing smoke smell in properties?

We are currently under contract for another home which we plan to rent. We just got the inspection back and there were some concerns on the report. The siding is asbestos siding (they painted or "sealed" it), there is moisture and some water damage in the crawl space, and an old termite infestation. We are so new at this we are unsure if these should be deal-breakers or if we should proceed and have them fix all the issues. The property is supposed to be "turn key" but these issues suggest different. What are your experiences with asbestos siding and water damage in the crawl space?

We are also considering selling our single family primary residence (in a great location) to purchase a Duplex and house hack. We bought the home about 2.5 years ago and have about 75K in equity to use as a downpayment. We have a small child so any advice or testimonials would be greatly appreciated. We wish we could afford to keep our existing home but don't think it's doable from a finance perspective.

 Hello. The biggest thing I would be concerned about is the water. Turnkeys should not have those kinds of issues. The others aren't a big deal as much. Ex. asbestos siding is common in older homes. It doesn't really cause a problem so long as you don't rip it off. It will last forever. People just get nervous by the word asbestos. 


I would make sure to get the Turnkey Provider to repair all of the items you think are issues. See what they say. 

Post: Cleveland heights and other POS areas

Tom OttPosted
  • Equity Raiser and Turnkey Provider
  • Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Bola Williams:

@Damian Ramirez - Do you have an agent that you work with in Cleveland, I'm in a place where I can start investing with my business partner and we are currently interviewing agents. If you dont mind giving me a referral I would greatly appreciate it as we are also OOS investors.

@Tom Ott - i've seen quite a few of your post in the forums, would you mind if I reached out via email to talk about investing in Cleveland?

 Sure thing! Look forward to hearing from you. 

Post: Investing in Cleveland, OH

Tom OttPosted
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  • Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Ceasar Cifuentes:

@Ivan Franco. Lol East Cleveland is one of those areas! West Cleveland (west of downtown) is where u want to focus.

 Well, the city of East Cleveland is its own city and yes, most investors just stay away from there. That is why people on the Eastside are focused on Euclid, Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights, Bedford, Maple Heights, etc. If they have a POS, it is not that difficult to work with. 

The Westside of downtown is nice but it is also so "up-and-coming" you end up often over-paying or entering a bidding war just to get a house that needs a full rehab. Moving a little more out to the suburbs is great for long-term investments. 

Post: Turnkey fix and flip?

Tom OttPosted
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  • Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Reed A.:

Is there any community or resources out there where people match up investors with people doing fix and flip projects?

 This is pretty much it, but Turnkey and Fix/Flip are much different so make sure you join the correct forum! 

Post: Turn key properties question

Tom OttPosted
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  • Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Laura Lippo:

How do you feel about turn key properties? Are there any that you recommend? Is there a good resource on them you can recommend? I know it’s mentioned in the Book on Rental Properties, but I’m assuming I should know more than that. 

 Turnkeys can be great when you are investing OOS or if you work a 9-5. Maybe investors enjoy that they are passive investments. The Turnkey Provider should do everything for you all in-house. That includes renovating the property and even doing the management in-house after the close. There should be no 3rd parties or any "trusted partners." 

Good luck!

Post: Ohio Investor (Cleveland/Columbus)

Tom OttPosted
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  • Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Jim Bern:

Hello,

I am a new investor on the BP forums, and honestly very happy because through the forums and information provided I have been able to learn a lot.

I just started to look at properties to start investing in real estate these past few days. I live in an NYC borough which is a pricey market. A bit more expensive than what I'd like my first investment to be (around 60k-100k). I worked in Cleveland three years ago and the Midwest, where starter homes are more within my desired price range and provide cashflow.But I am open to other markets in Ohio or Indiana.

My question is for those who started investing in real estate, did you stay local?, And what advice can you recommend to new investor like myself in terms of investing out of state. Thank you

 Hello and welcome! Cleveland is a great place to invest right now. Prices are so low, but the rents are going up due to demand.

Post: Cleveland heights and other POS areas

Tom OttPosted
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  • Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Bob Prisco:

Too all OOS investors, WHY are you talking about POS, tenants , repairs etc. You should  not to be involved in any of this. Are you going to swing a hammer, deal with inspectors, tenants, the city, etc, NO ! So why are so many asking about these things ? You are not nor will ever be an expert in Cleveland  ( or any market ) as you do no live an breath it unless you plan on making it a full time gig . You will never go to the building dept, speak with a tenant, CMHA / EDEN or a contractor. So many are making this more complicated . All you need to do is connect with those doing deals, you simply close, thats it! 

All the best 

 That's pretty much what I always tell investors! If you buy a property that is clear and it is going to be a cash-flow longterm property POS may not come up for another 5-10 years or whatever you decide to sell! Most investors forget they are even there until they go to sell. So many I have dealt with recently with OOS investors selling had around 1-2 items on the list. The cost was about $200. 

Post: Cleveland heights and other POS areas

Tom OttPosted
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  • Cleveland, OH
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Almost all of the Cleveland suburbs have some kind of POS. Since Bedford's was challenged in court I have a feeling some of the others will go that way as well.