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All Forum Posts by: Todd Wood

Todd Wood has started 3 posts and replied 13 times.

There are two things that have been bothering me on the real estate side. First is that it's a completely illiquid asset. So with an investment in the s&p you generally can pull money out if you need it pretty easily. But if you have a house the only way to pull money out is to take out a HELOC or refinance. Those are pretty significant interest rates right now. Maybe when interest rates were 3% it was a different story but we're in a different world now.

The other issue I have is people talk about refinancing taking money out and buying more property. I guess I understand how that works the last few years when appreciation was through the roof. But how's that going to work going forward rents are already pretty high and you have to Jack them up to cover your refinance. Plus now you're going to pay a much higher interest rate then your original loan. So pulling cash out to purchase more property seems less likely going forward.

So maybe over the last 10 years with these ridiculously low interest rates and ridiculously high appreciation it beat the s&p. However I don't see how going forward that's going to be the case.

I know people keep saying well when interest rates go down...  The truth is they may never go down. They hit 16 to 18% in the 80s. We may be just the beginning of a rise that may not end for another decade or two. And if interest rates do drop and houses begin to appreciate it the rate they were before the entire market will collapse because there's no way people can afford this continued increase in price.

So what once was may not be in the future. Where as even when interest rates were through the roof the s&p still pulled 10 to 11%

People have missed a few big items.  First you can only remove tenants for very specific reasons.  So for example you can have a lease, but at the end of the lease you can't ask them to leave.  If you sell and the person buying wants to live there you must write the tenant a $4500 check to relocate and then give them 90 days.  If they don't leave you have to go to court to get them out .

Etc..

I have a sfh in Portland Multnomah county. I absolutely don't recommend it. Multnomah county has the highest taxes in the nation just behind new york. The state of Oregon has some of the most tenant friendly laws and Portland has even more tenant friendly laws. You will pay your tenants to leave. There are no such things as leases that you can terminate.  Once they're in they're in and they're hard to get out.

The cost of housing is stupidly high. You're going to pay a fortune and I have yet to find the rents to be able to cover the fortune you're going to pay.  I have been trying to 1031 my property into something else locally and I just can't make the numbers work. There are far better opportunities in other states that have far lower taxes far lower housing prices and far business friendlier places.  As far as houses appreciation goes my house was worth 400k 6 months ago and today it's worth about 370. So it depends but right now I've seen a loss of value in the last 6 months.

But I'm not good at this either so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Doesn't this also depend on your initial investment?  For example I bought my house with 20k down.  I am looking to sell it after cap gains and depreciation recap I would have 130k.  That same 20k in the s&p would have only netted me 90k.

I am thinking about doing a 1031 from my Oregon property to TN and grabbing a multi-Family or two. I will have about $200k to invest.  

I like what is happening there as far as businesses moving to the more tax friendly environment.  Where should I be looking?

Also, since I haven't done this before what type of taxes and licenses do you need to pay in TN?  I.E.  is there a business tax?  Is there capital gains if I sell?  Business licenses?

also, anyone know of a good RE Agent/ broker in TN?

Thanks!

How difficult is it to invest in from a distance?  I can't move as my whole family including my aging parents are here.  I would prefer to get in on some of these areas that have actual good cash flow, but will need to do it from afar. 

Quote from @Emily Van Siereveld:

Hi @Todd Wood:

I just listened to an "On The Market" from Thursday that talked about this - Episode 155: The 8 Best Housing Markets in the US for Low Prices and High Cash Flow. 

I think you might really enjoy that episode - it explains why each of the markets are on the list. But I did take notes on the specific areas. 

  1. Myrtle Beach, SC
  2. Tallahassee, FL
  3. Jonesborough, Arkansas
  4. Joplin, MO
  5. Tuskaloosa, AL
  6. Oshkosh, WI
  7. Odessa, TX
  8. Oklahoma City, OK

I hope that helps! 


 Sounds great! I will listen and check it out. 

I want to try selling my rental in Portland, OR.  I was looking in the Oregon area to find a way to buy a MF and turn some cash flow, but at 8% it is looking difficult. What markets would you suggest I consider where I might be able to pick up either one or two plexs by putting down $100k each that could bring me some decent cash flow without having massive taxes from another state (Oregon is already really bad).   

Quote from @Evan Hopple:

@Todd Wood

Look into Columbus, OH! Low taxes, landlord friendly laws and minimal insurance cost. I invest here for the huge growth from recent additions to the tech sector (google, intel, amazon, honda, and many start ups)

Plenty of options here for a 1031 exchange


 I will look into it. 

Quote from @Melissa Hartvigsen:

Hello @Todd Wood,

Here's my take on your choices:

Option 1. Keep the property, and have your attorney help you negotiate a cash for keys agreement to get the tenant out. Then, you can get more money in rent. (Market rent, even in the lowest rent neighborhoods in Portland for a 3bed 1 bath SFR is at minimum $1900.  Your current rent of $1,380 is well below market, and with our rent cap, it will take you years to get even close to market. The going rate for a property manager is 8-10%, though I have seen it as high as 14% in the City of Portland due to the extra layers required for managing a property.)  Even if you come in with $5,000 out of pocket that would take you 10 months to break-even if you continue managing or about 15 months (if you pay a PM 10% a month).  This option removes the "headache" of you dealing with the day to day operations and keeps the property in Portland. 

Option 2, sell and buy in another market. If you are financing the deal it would be hard to make anything pencil with the appx 9-10% interest rates for investors. Make a forum post in BP to ask for recommendations on markets and do some research.

Option 3, consider using a 1031 exchange and acquiring a DST (Delaware Statutory Trust). This will allow you to keep the cash flow coming in, and remove the day to day operations of managing the property. Forbes has a good article on these: https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2023/08/22/understanding-the-delaware-statutory-trust-full-cycle-event/?sh=4a52b0641236

Option 4, as you stated, you can just sell and take the tax hit. You would still have money in your pocket to invest elsewhere.

Personally I use on calculators to see the "financial opportunity" before I make a decision. BP has a rental property evaluation calculator under tools. If you are considering non-real estate options you could try the "investment calculator" on calculator.net.

Best of luck to you!
Melissa

 Thanks,  they are not going to leave for cash.  I have already tried that approach.  I would like to get it out of Portland.  The landlord tenant laws are terrible and I was pretty worried that capital gains tax would pass, but thankfully it didn't.  I will look into the Delaware thing. 

I know you say the rents are low, but in the area I am in they aren't that far off.  Rockwood is not known for being a "nice" area.