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All Forum Posts by: Brian H.

Brian H. has started 99 posts and replied 495 times.

Hey folks, Hope all is well with everyone else here. So I was helping a friend of a friend deliver some mattresses the other day (he owns a mattress store) and we had a good bit of time to talk. He sounds potentially interested in doing some property flips with me. I have one successful flip under my belt and 11 rental units that are profiting well. I am looking for advice as to how to structure this or lay this out? Just never worked with anyone besides myself. It would be basically where he provides the funds and I handle the flip(s). He seems to want to be partners in this. Is that better than trying to work with him as a private lender? If you have done this, how do you structure it? Would it just be a 50/50 split since he doesn't have to worry about any of the legwork? Or should he get more of the pie since he is risking his money? Never had to even write a business proposal before... and that was what he mentioned. "Write up a business proposal and we can talk about this." Or, should I approach it with him as the private lender? What percent are private lenders getting in this climate? That seems easier and less risky for him since then he is the first lien on the property, right? But then he stands to potentially make less? Or could I, with him as lender, offer a sort of structured rate of return based on overall profit instead of payments/interest but still gets first lien as well? Any information any of you seasoned flippers could offer me would be so greatly appreciated. Been Googling for a few hours but find so many different opinions. Figured I'd come here and ask the pros. Thank you!!

Post: Anyone have an Excel-based BRRRR worksheet/calculator?

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Originally posted by @Nick Peters:

@Brian H. You can have a look at my FilePlace: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

I've uploaded an easy-to-use spreadsheet to analyze rental properties and BRRRR deals. I'm also about to add more spreadsheets to the folder (more advanced spreadsheet for rentals, as well as house flipping deals, etc.). I have quite a few that I need to upload at some point.

Let me know if you have any questions, happy to help!


Wow! Thanks, Nick! Would love to see the advanced spreadsheet and the sheet for flips, when you have time to upload them!

Hey everyone, hope you are all well!

So I have been going through the North Carolina Association of Realtors Standard Form 410-T. The lease.

I was figuring it makes the most sense to use that since it should be good as far as legalities are concerned for our state.

What addendums do you all add onto your leases to make sure things are solid, concrete, and all bases are covered?  

Also it mentions the tenant having a certain period of days to complete a Move-In inspection form? I set that as 5 days. Is that reasonable? Also, do most of you let the tenant fill this out themselves or do you walk through with them and fill it out together while also taking pictures?

Any other "I wish I had known this when I did my first lease" information you can give me would be so very appreciated!

Thanks!

Originally posted by @Tristan S.:

@Brian H. so you went from 0 to 11 units in one purchase, that's bold ! Talk about a steep learning curve lol

You keep mentioning them collecting a check, are you saying that they are section 8 tenants ?

Only one is section 8. Sorry, "collecting a check" is a phrase people use for saying they get a disability check every month. Not in a mean way or anything. It is just how I've heard people on disability refer to it most my life. 

Originally posted by @Tristan S.:

@Brian H. This is pure gold, thank you for sharing your experience and the numbers!

I have personally struggled with deciding if going with lower income properties would work for me. My current properties are definitely B+ so the tenants have been great. Return are definitely much lower but the appreciation is there. I used to self manage and being a control freak, it was very tiring and a cause of stress/anxiety. I had to use management since we moved to NC and even though I have to be on their a** pretty often, I love not talking to the tenants and not knowing what they even look like.

If I were to do lower income rentals, it would have to be under management. I personally could not stomach dealing with the drama associated with it.

Looking forward to talking more about your experience which will help me realize if this would be a viable approach for me.

 Yeah man I am back and forth with the property management.  Eventually, yes. But for now it would pull $700+ from me per month and I don't want that.  It can be a real headache dealing with some of my tenants... all of the ones that are headaches were there when I bought the place... but even then it is only like 3 of the units that are a headache. But they aren't bad to get rid of... just annoying little things.  I'm also just really busy in general so I probably let it get to me more than most.  You can find good low-income renters... for sure... you just want to change your requirements a little. You can't have the same requirements as A or B renters. Just how it is. But the fact that a lot of them just collect a check each month is actually pretty nice compared to people that could lose a job due to say... a random global pandemic... but that will never happen, right? :-p

Originally posted by @Daniel Jones:

@Brian H.

Thanks for that insight, Brian! I've been curious about the Caldwell/Wilkes/Ashe rental market and so that feedback is invaluable.

You're right about professionals moving just outside the county especially to Ashe. Many of my coworkers at the university are living in Ashe or planning to move to Ashe in the near future. With 221 being upgraded to four lanes it seems that the area is quickly becoming more desirable. Also it's a very scenic area in general. I imagine we'll see a big uptick in young professionals rentals and home sales in Ashe in the near future.

 Ashe is for sure better bang for your buck than Watauga but be careful... it is going to quickly become too expensive to justify long-term rentals, I am guessing. Just as Watauga has.  As more and more professionals move there and property values begin to skyrocket.

I've been really wanting to find some "money people" to build a nice large storage facility out there before that happens. Just requires a TON of capital.

Originally posted by @Tristan S.:

@Brian H. where have you sourced your deals from ? Were they bought from the MLS ?

205k for 11 units sounds unheard of, or maybe those were bought 10+ years ago ?

This was one purchase. Just over 2 years ago. Lenoir has some incredible deals at times. I almost got another 9 units down there this past November, but was outbid. The person that got them paid $220,000. They would have brought in about $5,400/month. My DTI just wasn't where it needed to be. I hadn't really planned on investing again so quickly but these popped up and I had to try. Been trying to network to meet some "money people" to work with to grab up whatever we can in that area. Same kind of goes for Wilkes County. Both only about 45 minutes from us up here in Boone.

Hey man,  

Yeah, I would love to do all my investing up here because of the proximity to my home but it just isn't realistic for long-term gains as well as the capital you need to bring in incase of any major repair issues.

I have one quadplex, 3 duplexes, and a very small single family home down in Caldwell County.  They are all different than what you woul generally expect to get up here.  They are lower income folks.  While this can some with some drama from time to time (with the Multi-family tenants) and other types of small issues, the return has been fantastic.  Though, these are also older buildings.  So, for instance, in the quadplex we had a major plumbing failure at about 3am one night in an upper unit. It wasn't noticed until about 7 am that morning and at that point had pretty much destroyed a portion of the unit under it. That ended up being about a $15,000 repair, all said and done. But that could happen in any type of multifamily with upper and lower units. Was just an old galvanized pipe that blew. The lady downstairs has to take sleeping med to sleep, like many people do, and just didn't hear it because it was on the other end of her apartment.  My point in saying that is that it is so so very important to have a decent chunk of capital set aside for major situations (what BP people like the call Cap Ex). 

I bought these properties for a total of $205,000 between then all and they pull in about $7,000 per month in rent... so that far exceeds the 1% rule... it's closer to 3%. So, the ROI on this specific group of properties is fantastic. I haven't really used much of that for myself as I was running two kitchens in the area at the same time for a while and my fiance is a nurse. We have been slowly remodeling units that become empty.

Just know that in places like Wilkes County and Caldwell County you may end up with a much different type of tenant than you are prepared for, compared to up here.  Like I said, mine are all low-income. Only two of the eleven actually work. The rest collect a check each month... but there is some security in that for us as landlords. Not late rent or non-payment because of lack of work.  They get their check each month no matter what.  But, also with this type of tenant can come more drama. I had a period of time where I had one of the "adopted" tenants from when we purchased... and she and her boyfriend were beyond awful.  I did what I had seen others do on here. Offered them a small sum of cash to be out by a certain time.  I did tell them that if they werent' out by then that I would start the eviction process.  Well, they were out in time and I paid them.  

Mainly, investing down the mountain, in either of those counties can make you a good return. They both have huge rental markets. Caldwell county regularly has waiting lists at all the property management firms. But you just have to understand that you may be dealing with a different level of tenant and you have to be willing to handle that burden.  My tenants are good people... just a pain to deal with at times. Have one that has gotten bed bugs for the third time. So I have to figure out how to make him understand that it is now HIS turn to start paying for the exterminator when this happens since he hasn't been cleaner like he was supposed to. Stuff like that.

Also, I'd still rather rent to these folks over ASU college students any day of the week. I've heard so many awful stories about renting to college students. I just have no interest and a lot of professionals are moving out of the county towards Ashe County, or the edges of both Wilkes and Caldwell counties because it is just way too packed up here with ASU expanding every year.

Sorry for the long post. Ask away if you have anymore questions.

Originally posted by @Christopher Brown:

@Eric Nelson @Daniel Jones @Ryan Warrenburg @Tristan S.

I'm glad you guys are meeting on Friday.  I really wanted to join in if I didn't have this Virginia family event weekend.  Next time.

I could use some local referrals if any of you know of any.  We put a contract on a Boone 4-unit muli-family this morning.  Can anyone recommend a home inspector and local Boone, NC bank?  We won't use the home inspector that did the home inspection for our Vilas primary residence.  I have bankers down in Winston-Salem I am talking with but I was also thinking of talking to a local Boone, NC bank.  It would be good to start a banker relationship up here and they may want to keep this new loan (and hopefully many others) in their portfolio of loans.  I can definitely find the local bankers, I just didn't know if any of you had a contact that worked well. 

We are excited about the multi-family contract.  It would be our first one.  There is still a lot of research ahead.

Thanks for any home inspector referrals and/or local banker.  Have a great meet up on Fri.

Christopher

Mike Hanley (Message me for his phone number, apparently can't share on here)

The other one I would suggest is Patrick Green. Also amazing.  

Both are the best you will find in the area, in my opinion. Honest, incredibly thorough, etc.  But, both are usually VERY busy. So they may or may not be able to fit you in. I suggest you all add them to your contacts. Again, message me here for contact info.

Also sorry I missed this thread. I'm born and raised up here.  I invest as well. Have done one pretty succesful fix-n-flip in Winston Salem and then have 11 rental units in Caldwell County.  I  personally am VERY wary of investing in long term rentals in Watauga. The price point always seems way too high for the amount of rent you can pull in. I stick pretty steadfast to the 1% rule when deciding if I will consider a long term rental property and it has worked very well for me so far. I've yet to ever find a property in Boone or Watauga County that met that rule. Or even met say... 0.75%.  But I am sure they pop up on occasion.  I feel like this area is really well suited for flips and for AirBNB (especially if you flip it and AirBNB it).

Not against meeting up with you guys but I'm not really comfortable with any restaurants or anything right now. Unless Booneshine was really spread out? Have a family, fiance a nurse. Parents in their 70s. Just want to be really careful right now.

Also happy to chat on here or over text or google hangouts anytime with any of you. Just message me here!

@Blair Tarter

Curious what your numbers ended up looking like on this deal??  I am from Watauga County, born and raised. I really feel this area is a much better fit for either fix-and-flips or AirBNBs.  I can't begin to figure out how people really make money long term on standard long term rentals up here. The property prices are absurdly high compared to what you can get for rent from people for those properties.  How did this flip end up going?

I have myself have 11 rental units, but all outside of the county. MUCH better return for the money, as far as long-term rentals go.