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All Forum Posts by: Tim Vecchioni

Tim Vecchioni has started 10 posts and replied 64 times.

Post: Is this a good decision? (Refinancing 1st home that's rented out)

Tim VecchioniPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Annapolis, MD
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Stephanie Potter:

@tim vecchioni 

I would keep it and rent it.  Properties in Annapolis are only going to get more expensive  Let the tenant pay down the mortgage as you have been.  You aren't going to make enough to justify selling and your ltv margins are too tight to justify refinancing an investment property considering the cost of fees to refinance and mortgage insurance.

Also, $25 more per month is just going to irritate  a good tenant so leave it alone.  That little bit won't impact your life at all and will only cause problems.

My two cents

Stephanie

Thanks for the response again Stephanie! First thing, the property is actually in Pasadena. Also, I agree we wouldn't be making much off selling it in 2-3 years. After fees and all, we would be looking at $20-30k pending purchase price. I am a little confused though why a refinance wouldn't be a viable option? It would lower our mortgage payment a good bit to be able to get the property cash flowing, as well it would allow us to rid the PMI. If we are almost 80% into the loan, you would think they would allow for a refinance no problem eh?

Post: Is this a good decision? (Refinancing 1st home that's rented out)

Tim VecchioniPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Annapolis, MD
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Erik Kubec:

Are you looking to refi and ADD CASH so that you are financing less, and thus would get a better cash flow?  Usually folks that are refinancing investment properties are looking to make their cash flow worse so as to get capital out and go buy another property.  It seems that sub 5% price appreciation (from 220k to 230k) does not justify the cost of the refi.

This was our personal residence at first. We couldn't sell it, so we decided to rent it out. 5 years later being rented out, we now owe $190k instead of $213k which is what the original loan was for. We aren't looking to pull any money out of the home for another deal as you would in the BRRRR method, we are simply trying to make a property that we still own a positive cash flow property instead of selling it all together. Some cash flow would be better than no cash flow eh? OR, we could just wait until the tenant we have left and sell the property and take the $20-30k in equity that we would receive and use it to find another property. And yes we would be adding $6k to the property when refinancing to get it to the 20% if the appraised value of the home is $230k. The tenant is most likely staying 2 more years but we are at a negative cash flow at the moment with the current mortgage payment. If we were to refinance, we would be in the positive, not by much but we would be and as rent goes up, it would get better. So the decision is to either just keep sucking it up until he decided to leave and sell the place. Or refinance and make it a positive cash flow at the 190k mark and keep the property for even when he decides to leave. Hope this clears up what our intentions are behind the question.

Post: How to use Private Money/Hard Money on a deal

Tim VecchioniPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Annapolis, MD
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Ian Walsh:

We don't care about seasoning of funds. Most likely a HML that requests that is institutionally funded on the back end and not privately funded. There is a big difference. You would still need 20% skin in the game regardless.

 Good information. Thank you Ian!

Post: Is this a good decision? (Refinancing 1st home that's rented out)

Tim VecchioniPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Annapolis, MD
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

@Tim Vecchioni, based on your latest link above, it looks like MY first response is now valid, right?

ie. The "red" expenses* number is LARGER than the "green" income number!

What happened between the first link and the second link? You were firstly borrowing $190k, but now you think your lender will allow you to borrow $213,400 (ie. 93%)? I don't think so!

Logic would tell me you should be trying to give me the figures as they would be if you DIDN'T refinance, but of course it can't be that, because in that case you wouldn't need to be bringing any further cash to the table. [Sorry if I'm misunderstanding any of this].

But it does make me curious - is the purpose of your proposed refinance mainly just to start the clock ticking again for ANOTHER thirty years? Or is the main point that there are significant savings to be had regarding the CURRENT interest rate available vs the old one?

Another thing I'm curious about: Are you just renting now, or did you buy again?

And if you bought, what would the numbers for your mortgage look like, vs the rent you'd get THERE - if you moved at short notice again? Get where I'm going with that query?...

I think we are on 2 different pages! Let me give you an explanation of the back story real quick! So we bought the townhouse a little over 5 years ago. We moved out a year after purchasing and decided to rent it out as we couldn't afford to sell it without taking a hit. We have been renting it out for the last 4, going on 5 years. So what you see in the first link, is if we were to refinance on what we currently owe on the house, which is $190k. We bought the house for $220k but it now most likely worth $230k. That would be with closing costs, and I added the $6k in there to get to the 20% down from the Appraised value to remove PMI. Assuming that is how that would work. The second link is what we are CURRENTLY renting out at. That is the current beginning loan we had on the house 5 years ago and what we are currently paying. So I ran the numbers as if we bought the house with the intentions of renting it out to show you the cash flow that we are currently receiving without refinancing. The loan when we bought the house at $220k was an FHA loan, so we only put 7% down. Hope this clears it up and if not, it is early and I never work or think well in the morning!

Post: How to use Private Money/Hard Money on a deal

Tim VecchioniPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Annapolis, MD
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @James A.:

@Tim Vecchioni Congrats on the baby! So I recently got some money from my parents and got approved with a HML they did not care i got it from my parents and did not have to be seasoned. I would caution if you are trying to invest and use OPM you have to either have good amount of income from wherever, w2 job or maybe you have a large 401k or retirement account or you have to have a great deal. I also have a Private money guy who gives me all the money and he gets the money on the back end. So i know ppl say it can't be done but it can; the only caveat is you gotta work your tail off to find an amazing deal that they are sooo convinced they will lend you all the money. At the end of the day you gotta remember they probably are in a position to lend that money by being very smart with it in the first place. Another suggestion which i got from the pod cast if you really think you have a great deal and I mean a great deal, don't pitch a half thought out deal, do a JV. Partner with someone who has money "a part of something is better than all of nothing" Hope you got some useful info and get creative if you really want to do this don't worry about the money as much, focus on finding that awsome deal and you will have ppl handing you money.

 Thank you sir!

Post: How to use Private Money/Hard Money on a deal

Tim VecchioniPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Annapolis, MD
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 12

@Loren Clive thanks for the tip!

Post: How to use Private Money/Hard Money on a deal

Tim VecchioniPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Annapolis, MD
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Stephanie P.:

@tim vecchioni

Sorry about that Tim:)

Congratulations on the little one!!

 Thanks!

Post: $400 Cash Flow opportunity. What do you all think?

Tim VecchioniPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Annapolis, MD
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Daniel O.:

Pay attention to flood zone maps from FEMA and the need for flood insurance. It can be an unexpected and non-trivial cost for those investing in coastal communities, and traditional mortgage lenders will require it if you are in a flood zone.

 Good tip! Thanks!

Post: How to use Private Money/Hard Money on a deal

Tim VecchioniPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Annapolis, MD
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Stephanie P.:

@tom vecchioni

Buy and hold for us costs 25 to 30% down depending on your ability to show income. If you are just starting out, house hack. Its cheap, easy and gets your feet in the game. 

@Jay Hinrichs

Thanks. You're right. I think they are paying too much for the house. 

Stephanie

 Just wanted to clarify that it is Tim, but House Hacking, as great as it may be, is not an option for us as the wife won't allow it with a 10 month old!

Post: How to use Private Money/Hard Money on a deal

Tim VecchioniPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Annapolis, MD
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 12

Makes sense. I wouldn't be trying to flip though as I am looking to buy and hold, but I see your logic either way!