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All Forum Posts by: Tim L.

Tim L. has started 1 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: Utah - looking for 2024 local RE market nuances: SLC, Lehi, Orem, Provo etc

Tim L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4

I purchased in West Valley City pre-COVID and have seen massive appreciation. It's a good area, it's gentrified very, very well. Wish I had purchased more. 

Post: Multifamily househacking analysis help

Tim L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4

The logic that: 
Rents from other unit(s) must cover the entire mortgage. 
Is wrong, you'll spend forever looking for that. 

What is the market rent you otherwise would be spending? Say it's $1800 for a decent, mid-range non-luxury 1bedroom apartment in your city. 

Say your mortgage, taxes, insurance is $3000 a month. Your rents in the 1-3 other units totals $2000. 

This is a deal. Because you are only $1000 out of pocket, which is substantially less than the $1800 you would otherwise be spending like your buddies at the bar are. 

BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE! 
This is Year 1, which is the worst year (generally, unless a disaster happens of course). Every year, rents increases, outstanding mortgage balance decreases, you may refinance into more ideal lending terms also. It is the gift that keeps on giving. 

Post: Starting from Zero Looking for Mentor into Multifamily Invest

Tim L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4

I have researched I believe every (or close to) mentorship and real estate coaching program out there, dm me I can tell you the more affordable options to get started with, if you would like. 

Post: rei accelerator program

Tim L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Joshua D.:

bump

 and @Chris Bodden

I am very interested in one of this apartment buying mentorships also. The problem is there are so many to choose from. 

Post: No seasoning period for cash out refi?

Tim L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Greg Downey:

@Jessica Stern, to consolidate some thoughts here AND add in a bit. There is typically a misconception on what a c/o refi is vs a rate and term refi when it comes to a recently rehabbed property. Not all lenders see it this way, but a good mtg broker should be able to navigate your specific situation.

On a small handful of DSCR products, you can do a refinance not to exceed your TOTAL cost basis (ie. purchase price + rehab + holding costs) and have that transaction considered a rate and term refinance vs a cash-out. This transaction very well might feel like a cash-out to YOU but, if framed properly, to the lender, it is a lower risk, rate and term refinance. I do this regularly for our clients that are moving fast at or near 90 days seasoning.

The is a newer program to the space that will allow for 80% c/o but rates are a bit (maybe ~50bps) higher than your top-of-the-line DSCR products.

The best thing that you can do is share your completed scope of work and pre-rehab photos with the appraiser AND your lender. 


 That is so genius... why is that new to the lending industry!? or perhaps it's not and is just new to me. Might have to call you up for my next deal. 

Post: Are turnkey, hands off investing companies legit?

Tim L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Chris Clothier:
Quote from @Tim L.:
Quote from @Zach Lemaster:

@John Pocher, yes there are a ton of threads on BP and online in general on sites like BBB where investors share their honest feedback.  Just like with any business or industry, there are good team and not so good team.  Look at reviews, talk with investors and speak with the team you are looking to work with to determine who is the right fit and has a positive reputation.  To assist with your search, here are many forums talking about TK, RTR and investing in general.  Hope this helps.  Reach out at any point in time with any questions.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/765347-rent-to-retirement-review

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/1116050-a-huge-win-with-cori-from-rent-to-retirement

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/44/topics/1058814-first-time-with-new-construction-cape-coral-fl?highlight_post=6055029&page=1

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/850/topics/895660-my-first-investment-property-an-out-of-state-deal

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/88/topics/1047543-big-profits-from-new-construction-sfr-build-in-cape-coral-fl

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/983659-first-investment-property-with-rent-to-retirement?highlight_post=5677176&page=1#p5677176

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/1122318-quality-turnkey-companies?highlight_post=6413855&page=1

https://www.biggerpockets.com/co/RentToRetirement

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/929410-rent-to-retirement-updates?highlight_post=5508807&page=1#p5508807

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/893621-rent-to-retirement-review?highlight_post=5222888&page=1#p5222888

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/915728-experience-with-rent-to-retirement-turnkey?page=1#p5345200

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/808479-rent-to-retirement-experiences

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/518583-feedback-on-renttoretirement-and-zach-lemaster?highlight_post=6192149&page=4&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification_V2&utm_channel=28426&utm_content=Marketing

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/67/topics/952977-turnkey-in-indianapolis-through-rtr-case-study

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/997350-lessons-learned-from-buying-my-first-rental-property?highlight_post=5748036&page=1#p5748036


https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/533693-anyone-worked-with-renttoretirement-turnkey


https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/581730-rent-to-retirement-zach

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/874096-reviews-on-r2r-and-nch?page=1&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification&utm_content=Transactional#p5123754

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/883772-turnkey-investing-renttoretirement-feedback-reviews?highlight_post=5171720&page=1#p5171720

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/950188-rent-to-retirement?page=1&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification&utm_content=Transactional#p5535505


https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/ZacharyCole/references

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/915728-exper...

 Hey Zach, for Turnkey purchases what does a typical due diligence for us as the buyers look like? Can we see an inspection report for example? 

 Tim,

To your first question, I've never heard of Sharestates and I would definitely consider length of time in business for any company you chose to work with.  That is part of your due diligence.  As for Rent to Retirement, they are a legit service provider with a long record for you to review.  I've talked to Zach a few times and discussed the industry in general and how they operate and we operate to see if there is any synergy.  I also know a few of his team as well.  We have never done business together, but I can tell you from my conversations and experience as a turnkey provider, they are a good company looking to point investors in the right direction.

As far as the next question you asked, below are questions you need to ask any turnkey provider you are going to do business with.  A few companies you can research and certainly look to connect with would be Pinnacle investments (@Mike D'Arrigo) who operate midwest like KC and Indy, JWB (@Gregg Cohen) who operate in Jacksonville, FL, Spartan Investments in Birmingham, Memphis Turnkey and Memphis Cash Flow in Memphis and Texas Turnkey in Houston and Albuquerque.  There are others, but I know each of the owners of these companies and they are all good.  Their not all on the site here, but they are good people and I believe each of them encourage appraisals and inspections.

That is a big thing and you asked a great question.  If a company is selling something and they don't want you to use 3rd parties to inspect and get an appraisal, in my opinion, that is an issue.  It raises the risks.  Even on new built properties you need to get inspections and appraisals.  Now, that doesn't mean both will turn out perfect and if they don't then there is a problem.  An appraisal is an opinion and I for one don't always agree.  However, it is important that you are able to get one as an investor and have a good understanding with your turnkey provider as to how that appraisal is treated.  Same as inspection.  You should always get one - period.  In the end, they are a great tool for a company like us to evaluate our team and processes.  If we see a certain item get called out by multiple inspectors, then it is something we need to train on internally.  At the same time, a prefect house is almost impossible to come by, so focus on the ability to get one and make sure you get it.  Then deal with how the report comes out once you have it in hand.

Here are some questions I would suggest you ask any turnkey provider you want to do business with:

Two important things to remember. One, if they don't have time to spend with you and answer your questions in detail and discuss them, in my opinion, move on. Two, a key about asking questions is to ask a mirror question. Many companies have learned how to sell and how to market and certainly how to answer questions like this. Often answers are scripted and your job as an investor is to ask the right questions in the right way to answer for yourself whether you can trust what you re hearing. It is also important to remember that investors like myself always advise meeting who you're going to do business with. That is important because it allows you to see for yourself if the answers you heard match what you see on the ground. A mirror question is where you ask what is the average vacancy rate each month. Write down the answer. Sometime later in the conversation you ask the mirror question of what is your average occupancy each month. Write that answer down.

A high quality company will be on top of their KPI's and their numbers will match. A 3.5% vacancy number will match a 96.5% occupancy number.

Lastly, after you have their numbers research what you were told. I'll never forget a conversation with an investor who was amazed that a turnkey company had a 1.5% vacancy rate and a 98.5% occupancy. It sounded amazing. He asked how many properties they managed and the answer was roughly 1500. He then went onto their website online and researched their property management online and was shocked. Their website listed 198 properties for rent. They had an ad online for prospective tenants advertising 200+ vacant rentals. Their true vacancy rate was roughly 13% not 1.5%. But they felt like they had to market a low rate to "keep up with the Joneses". So ask your questions, get your data and do your research.

Are you an investor?

Do you own in the exact neighborhoods you are selling?

How many investors do you work with?

Do you own all facets of the operation?

Do you market rental or maintenance guarantees?  (Guarantees are a tough issue.  Just make sure you are paying for quality and not over-paying for a guarantee)

Do you defer maintenance?

How many properties do you manage?

Do you own the properties you sell?

How long have you been in the business?

What is your average vacancy rate?

What percentage of expiring leases will renew their lease each month?

What percentage of signed leases fulfill their full term?

What is the average number of days a property is vacant between tenants, move-out to move-in?

What percentage of billed rent do you collect each month?

What is the cost of an average repair bill after move-out?

What are your management fees?

What percentage of collected rent goes to yearly maintenance on average?

What is your average number-of-months occupancy per property?

What is your average occupancy rate?

Can I order an appraisal before closing?

Can I order a 3rd party inspection before closing?

What programs do you have in place to keep residents happy?

What customer service programs do you have in place?

Will you call me every month with an update on my portfolio?

How many team members are dedicated solely to providing service to your clients?

What has been your biggest mistake as an investor? How do you protect your clients from making the same mistakes?

Good luck as you get moving forward!


 Great info, thank you sir!

Post: Are turnkey, hands off investing companies legit?

Tim L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Zach Lemaster:

@John Pocher, yes there are a ton of threads on BP and online in general on sites like BBB where investors share their honest feedback.  Just like with any business or industry, there are good team and not so good team.  Look at reviews, talk with investors and speak with the team you are looking to work with to determine who is the right fit and has a positive reputation.  To assist with your search, here are many forums talking about TK, RTR and investing in general.  Hope this helps.  Reach out at any point in time with any questions.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/765347-rent-to-retirement-review

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/1116050-a-huge-win-with-cori-from-rent-to-retirement

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/44/topics/1058814-first-time-with-new-construction-cape-coral-fl?highlight_post=6055029&page=1

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/850/topics/895660-my-first-investment-property-an-out-of-state-deal

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/88/topics/1047543-big-profits-from-new-construction-sfr-build-in-cape-coral-fl

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/983659-first-investment-property-with-rent-to-retirement?highlight_post=5677176&page=1#p5677176

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/1122318-quality-turnkey-companies?highlight_post=6413855&page=1

https://www.biggerpockets.com/co/RentToRetirement

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/929410-rent-to-retirement-updates?highlight_post=5508807&page=1#p5508807

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/893621-rent-to-retirement-review?highlight_post=5222888&page=1#p5222888

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/915728-experience-with-rent-to-retirement-turnkey?page=1#p5345200

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/808479-rent-to-retirement-experiences

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/518583-feedback-on-renttoretirement-and-zach-lemaster?highlight_post=6192149&page=4&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification_V2&utm_channel=28426&utm_content=Marketing

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/67/topics/952977-turnkey-in-indianapolis-through-rtr-case-study

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/997350-lessons-learned-from-buying-my-first-rental-property?highlight_post=5748036&page=1#p5748036


https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/533693-anyone-worked-with-renttoretirement-turnkey


https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/581730-rent-to-retirement-zach

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/874096-reviews-on-r2r-and-nch?page=1&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification&utm_content=Transactional#p5123754

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/883772-turnkey-investing-renttoretirement-feedback-reviews?highlight_post=5171720&page=1#p5171720

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/950188-rent-to-retirement?page=1&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification&utm_content=Transactional#p5535505


https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/ZacharyCole/references


 Hey Zach, for Turnkey purchases what does a typical due diligence for us as the buyers look like? Can we see an inspection report for example? 

Post: House Hacking Rentals Wont Cash Flow

Tim L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Andrew Hesse:

Hi Nolan,

Like you, I was getting discouraged about eight months ago that I wasn’t going to be able to find any good deals for a house hack. Fast forward to today and my tenant is paying $100+ more than my monthly mortgage payment, so I’m essentially living for free! I did this with a 3.5% down payment as well. I would recommend looking for a property that you can put a lot of sweat equity into it, that’s what I did! Feel free to reach out!

- Andrew


 I am a new house hacker, regarding sweat equity what would you recommend for most bang for your buck? Kitchen renovations for example? 

Post: Do I file state tax return for rental property in another state?

Tim L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4

-Entire 2022 I lived in Florida (no state income tax)
-Rental property in Utah obtained years ago, 

-This is first full year living in another state so I didn't think to file state tax return. I realize however since the property is in another state, I may have just messed up by not filing. 

Post: Southern Florida 23 year old looking to start investing in multi family apartments

Tim L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Clay Asplundh:

Hello John,

South Florida is a strong market right now with lots of population and job growth to the area. Your first property you will make lots of mistakes, but as long as you buy right and conservatively project these mistakes should be manageable. One strategy to consider is house hacking, as if you live in the multifamily property you will be able to qualify for a lower downpayment. It also makes managing the property easier since you will be on site. Good luck!


How low of a downpayment? Can you do FHA on househacked multifamily properties in South Florida?