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All Forum Posts by: Tim Lounibos

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Post: All Cash vs Leveraging re: Future Market Drop for 1st Investment

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@Axel Meierhoefer Got it, thank you!

Post: All Cash vs Leveraging re: Future Market Drop for 1st Investment

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Originally posted by @Axel Meierhoefer:

Your point about seasoning is probably a matter of lender and negotiation. If you invest for cash flow you would keep the property and putting a mortgage on a property you intend to keep should not require you to wait.
...If you hold long term and especially want to generate cash flow, you maybe have heard the following answer to when the best time to invest actually is?  "The best time was 20 years ago. The second best time is today" --

 I had not heard that. Thanks, I like it! :D 

I am holding for cash flow and long-term appreciation (so market's not a concern for that).

The reason seasoning comes into play is because I have limited funds so want to make sure that I can purchase all-cash, force appreciation, and then do a cash-out refinance based on the higher ARV so that I have enough cash funds to repeat the process. This will allow me to continually make all-cash offers and increase our monthly cash flow to the point where my wife can retire (if she wants to) by the end of 2027 (and I have other specific goals to go along with that one). Does that make sense?

Post: All Cash vs Leveraging re: Future Market Drop for 1st Investment

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Originally posted by @Chris Davidson:

Some times it is just easier if you have access to cash to buy a property outright. Once you get it going the way you want then pull money out by refinancing it to move those funds on to the next project. Essentially it can be much easier to buy with cash then finance when not as time constrained. 

Absolutely, yes! Forgot to mention this benefit of all-cash purchases @Sarah West. You'll be a much more appealing buyer if the seller knows that you aren't using a traditional lender. The sale can close in around ten days as opposed to a month.

Post: All Cash vs Leveraging re: Future Market Drop for 1st Investment

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Originally posted by @Jon Kelly:

@Tim Lounibos even if your market is at its peak, how much do you think it will drop within 6-months? 25%? probably not. 5%? maybe. The potential for a future market decline in 6 months, which may or may not happen, shouldn't have much of an impact. 

Thank you, this totally makes sense to me. Yes, the BRRRR method has been calling my name.

Post: All Cash vs Leveraging re: Future Market Drop for 1st Investment

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@John Morgan (I have a cousin with that name ;-)

Thanks for your thoughts and that's the path I've been leaning heavily towards. Bit of a tangent, but how did your properties fare during the recent winter storm and power out issues? Thanks, again, for your reply.

Post: All Cash vs Leveraging re: Future Market Drop for 1st Investment

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Originally posted by @Mary M.:

@Tim Lounibos. Here is a question you might consider - if you feel strongly that the market is going to correct - why would you buy now? 

Also having bought using all cash and financed I really prefer all cash and hope to return to that model for my next purchase. 

Good luck no matter what you decide :) 

Essentially, because if the numbers work, I believe it makes sense to buy in any market. I'm buying to hold so can ride out any dips. I just want to make sure I have cash to continue buying... Thank you! :-)

Post: All Cash vs Leveraging re: Future Market Drop for 1st Investment

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Originally posted by @Henry Lazerow:

People thought the market was at it's peak 5 years ago it's impossible to time. I don't see property appreciating at this rate but atleast in our market demand is so strong I don't see it falling anytime soon either. No one really knows though. If you do feel the market might fall you don't want your cash tied up so buying with conservative leverage is the best option. 75 LTV and don't overdo it on the BRRR only refinance out enough where property still has nice cashflow.

Thanks, Henry. I was all gung ho to go full board into the BRRRR but will probably a do milder rehab for now. I'll pay attention to the market till mid-April then make a decision on which way to invest. A nice cashflow is definitely important to us. Right now, I am leaning towards all cash...

Post: All Cash vs Leveraging re: Future Market Drop for 1st Investment

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Originally posted by @Sarah West:

@Tim Lounibos & @Chris Davidson can you educate me on what it means to refinance if doing all cash? How does refinancing fit into the plan of paying all cash avoids needing to finance with a loan? I realize this might be glaringly obvious but it is a knowledge deficit for me

Essentially, the idea is to purchase with all cash. If you can then do something to raise the value of the property -- force appreciation -- and then after the seasoning period refinance off the ARV (After Repair Value) for a cash out loan (a lender is not allowed to refinance a home that's been purchased with all cash until six months after close of escrow), you can then turn around and have the same amount of cash or very possibly more to use for your next investment. If you repeat this process, you theoretically do not run out of cash. You can keep investing and growing your portfolio... And I'm glad you asked the question. It's how we learn. I was asking the same question at the beginning of last month.

Post: All Cash vs Leveraging re: Future Market Drop for 1st Investment

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@Debbie Partain Sounds great and congrats and right back at ya! Thank you very much and wishing you the best on your new adventure... It's exciting!

Post: All Cash vs Leveraging re: Future Market Drop for 1st Investment

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@Chris Davidson

It does, thank you. My gut is telling me all cash method is the way to go.

I appreciate your advice (and I will keep Boise in mind in the future)!