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All Forum Posts by: Thornton Drury

Thornton Drury has started 3 posts and replied 29 times.

Post: Temporary phone number for FSBO

Thornton DruryPosted
  • Investor
  • Huntsville, AL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

Google Voice rules for this! And its free!

Post: First SFR Deal OOS in Huntsville

Thornton DruryPosted
  • Investor
  • Huntsville, AL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

Congrats on your first investment going relatively smooth! Good choice of market too haha

Post: House Hacking Insurance

Thornton DruryPosted
  • Investor
  • Huntsville, AL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

Hey everyone.

I'm in the middle of a house-hacking purchase and I'm stumped on the Insurance question.

Do I insure the whole house with a homeowners policy? Do I make tenants have renters insurance? Does everyone having renters insurance negate the need for proper insurance? etc etc

Some direction here would be much appreciated!

@Gorden Lopes @William Bush could you guys DM me your people as well? I close on my first two Huntsville SFRs requiring rehab on Thursday!!

Post: Home Inspector Recommendations

Thornton DruryPosted
  • Investor
  • Huntsville, AL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

I’ve had great success with Andy Spraggins of https://spragginshi.com/. Highly recommend. Investor friendly pricing and packages as well!!

Post: Creative Financing on an Owner Occupied 4Plex Questions

Thornton DruryPosted
  • Investor
  • Huntsville, AL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

Hello everyone. I'm looking to move to Atlanta, GA in the next few months and set up a favorable house-hack in the process. My primary investing is done in Huntsville, AL, but for my own mental health I've got to get to a city haha. I'll still operate back there, but my operation pretty much runs itself at this point, so it doesn't really make a difference. 

Anyway, as previously mentioned I'm looking to purchase a small multifamily in Midtown ATL that has room for strategic renovations, four units, optimal location, and buyable under market value. Well, through my off market deal sourcing wizardry (poking around in public record) I found the ideal property and secured it under contract at $800k, a full $160k lower than market value based on comps and a full $257k under market value when calculated using the value added small multifamily cap rate of 6.4% for this market. I spoke with the owners and it turns out they are "getting old" and looking to cash out their investments. What luck!! It has 3 2/2s & 1 3/2; 4130 sqft with 2 off street parking spaces for each unit. I want to get this deal done with some creative financing, as its by far the largest dollar figure deal I've ever had on my desk.

Initially, I was going to get an FHA backed loan at a low down payment, but its been brought to my attention that FHA will only back ~$660k on a 4 unit owner occupied property right now, if they will lend on a 4plex at all. So my current plan is as follows: Close on the property using transactional funding then immediately refinance into a conventional loan based off the value (either comps or cap rate), not the purchase price. Hopefully I'll get a little cash out in the process. Over the course of the next year, as tenants leases expire, I'll increase the rents to the market rates (+~$600/unit). I'll also install sub metered utilities during this phase. Based off the cap rate, the property should now be worth $1.465m (don't worry, I'll post my full numbers breakdown later in this post). I would then go out and get a cash out refinance valued from the cap rate, not the comps. Hopefully I should be able to pull out ~$320k. Over the course of the next two years, I'll use that capital to seriously renovate the exterior and the interior as the leases expire. I'll be going all out with the rehab. Seriously nice stuff. The neighborhood supports some extremely premium rental rates (my sister pays over $4k less than a block away), so I'll become a part of that club. With the new premium rent rates, the property should be valued at $1.785m. At that point I'd either refinance again to take some capital out to use in my BRRRR operation, or I'll just leave it in the property. There are comps in the neighborhood that have sold for over $2m without any major dividing boundaries between them. I think I can get the valuation there with comps, but it would be alot harder of a case than with cap rates. All rental rates have been verified by several property managers well versed in the area.

So, here's my question. 

A.) Am I totally insane?

B.) Are there lenders out there that will lend on an owner occupied small multifamily based on a cap rate valuation? I know the traditional barrier for that is 5+ units. This is my first multifamily venture, so I'm learning as I go.

This deal just seems too good to be true. However, I sourced the deal myself off market, so nobody presented me with misleading numbers. Nobody is trying to hoodwink me. I've verified all the numbers with people versed in the market. Is this a unicorn?!

I've attached my numbers for each of the three stages of this property below. Take a look and let me know what you're thinking.

NUMBERS AS PURCHASED

NUMBERS AT MARKET RATES

NUMBERS AT PREMIUM RATES

Just for fun, here's my ****** 2am photoshop mockup of how I'd like the before and after to look:

Post: 19 yr old: What is wrong with my ROI calculations 55-100% ROI/yr?

Thornton DruryPosted
  • Investor
  • Huntsville, AL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

@Colston Bowler Its the one from https://www.houseflippingsprea.. 

Its got SOOOOO much more than just that report you see there. Worth EVERY PENNY.

Post: 19 yr old: What is wrong with my ROI calculations 55-100% ROI/yr?

Thornton DruryPosted
  • Investor
  • Huntsville, AL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

You're also neglecting repairs, managment, capex, vacancy, insurance, property taxes, etc. 

I generated a sample report based off the lowest numbers you offered in your example. You're calculating "cash flow" in a weird way. Come up with the $ figure you expect to get in rent then subtract all expenses. Calculating cash flow by a % is weird.

Post: 19 yr old: What is wrong with my ROI calculations 55-100% ROI/yr?

Thornton DruryPosted
  • Investor
  • Huntsville, AL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

I think you're confusing Cash Flow with NOI.