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All Forum Posts by: Thadeous Larkin

Thadeous Larkin has started 12 posts and replied 81 times.

Post: Colorado Springs bans *some* STRs

Thadeous LarkinPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 144

@James Carlson - may I supplement?  I'm going to assume your permission since this is a forum and this is America and I'd do whatever I want anyway.

Each of the new ordinances contains a military clause meant, ostensibly, to protect active duty military STR owners (for the owner-occupied portions of the amendments). That is because, upon deployment or PCS, we (active duty military STR owners) cannot comply with the owner-occupier rule. The amendments, in both C. and D., contain the following language:

"Where an Owner Occupied short term rental unit is owned by an active duty military service member whose permanent duty station is within El Paso County, the Manager shall waive this requirement for the Owner for up to one (1) year if the service member receives orders to report to a temporary duty station outside of El Paso County."

Unfortunately, the message to service members who own an STR is that you have one year after PCS or Deployment to return to an owner-occupier status. Unless you're leaving the service or returning from a deployment, that is impossible. Basically, if the Army/Air Force tells you "I order you to move" (which happens every 3-4 years), you get to keep your STR for one more year but lose it forever after that.

Post: Denver medium term rental after a few years

Thadeous LarkinPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 144

@James Carlson - thanks, that's super helpful.  Is there a way to exploit the algorithm so that it doesn't make the cost/night of the place seem so high when you're setting a pretty heft minimum number of nights?

The City Council meeting was cancelled due to weather because even God thinks the proposal is a stupid one and is trying to prevent it from becoming law.

Post: Denver medium term rental after a few years

Thadeous LarkinPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 144

So hip.

@James Carlson - with AirBnB as your best driver of business, does that mean that your guests book for long periods through AirBnB?  If so, for a medium term rental do you do any extra contracts to ensure compliance with CO rental statutes/appropriate security deposits, or are you satisfied with the terms/insurance/etc. through AirBnB?

This is a self-interested ask, since I might PCS this summer and we're deciding whether to long-term rent (unfurnished), medium-term rent (furnished), or, depending on how the Colorado Springs City Council goes, AirBnB STR.

Post: Early Lease Termination due to Military Orders

Thadeous LarkinPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 144

@Alyssa K. - I LOOOOOOVE that you mentioned consistency within systems.  That's a perfect way to avoid claims of discrimination in housing.  I can't emphasize enough how much I love that.  

Upshot - yes.  Asking them to comply with the SCRA isn't piling on, and Commanders sign documents for their Soldiers all the time.  1SG will make sure it gets in front of the commander.  

If they have other questions, you can helpfully suggest that they try visiting/direct them to the Legal Assistance attorneys on post (almost every post has attorneys dedicated to dealing with just these types of situations for Soldiers) who can help them draft a letter for the commander to sign and then send to you.  TOO EASY.

Post: Early Lease Termination due to Military Orders

Thadeous LarkinPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 144

@Alyssa K. - also, senior enlisted do not have command authority such that they can issues official document-based orders.  So a Master Sergeant (MSG) is not a commander.  And nobody is promoted from SGT to a command position.  "Command" positions, pursuant to Army regulations, are reserved for Officers.  Sergeants are not officers.  His immediate commander is probably a Captain (CPT) or maybe a 1st Lieutenant (1LT).

Post: Early Lease Termination due to Military Orders

Thadeous LarkinPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 144

@Alyssa K. - This is critically important, but as far as I can tell nobody has yet mentioned it.  However, this is something every landlord near a military installation should be aware of:

The Servicemembers Civil Relief Act (50 U.S.C. §§ 3901-4043) is a FEDERAL law aimed at establishing civil protections for active duty servicemembers.  It offers many protections for active duty servicemembers, including against certain default judgments, certain foreclosures, repossessions, and, among other things, early termination of leases.

Hearkening back to civics class - the supremacy clause means that Federal laws trump all State laws.  States can offer MORE civil protections for citizens than the Federal government, but not fewer.

Now, to your specific situation:  50 U.S.C § 3955  is the statute dealing with early termination of residential leases for active duty servicemembers.  Section (e)(1) details that a landlord may not impose any early termination fees for an early-termination of the lease that qualifies under the statute.  To do so could be (depending on the circumstances) a misdemeanor (!!!) under this statute (see section H - withholding of property).  Hopefully that answers your question long-term.

For further clarification on the supremacy clause and the SCRA generally, see below.

Navigating the supremacy clause specifically - Let's use a hypothetical:  Let's say there's a statute in State X that says "Military members shall be allowed to terminate their lease early so long as they deploy for a period of no fewer than 15 days".  This state is doing okay so far.  They have further extended civil protections beyond what the Federal Government requires.  That's constitutionally correct.  Now let's say State Y says "Military members shall be allowed to terminate their lease early so long as they deploy for a period of no fewer than 360 days."  That's a big no-no.  Boooooo State Y!  The Federal Government has already established 90 days as the minimum, so you can't further restrict their civil protections to make them less protective than the Federal Government has.  Make sense?  The upshot is that if the Federal Government has a statute on point, and if there are any state statutes that cover the same ground they will offer further protections to servicemembers.

Side note - lots of landlords will include a "military clause" in their lease that repeats the protections of the SCRA.  I've had landlords tout that to me as if they're doing me a favor.  I'm like "Cool story, bro.  But I'm covered by the Federal Government already, so that language is superfluous.  If you didn't have it in the lease, the Federal Government laws would still apply.  So don't act like you're doing me a favor."

All that said, you must ensure that your lessee actually qualifies under this statute.  The active duty servicemember must, to qualify under the SCRA, receive either PCS orders or be deploying for a period of over 90 days.  (Alternately, instead of orders, they can give notice via a letter from their commander, because as @Luke Sanderson mentions above, orders can come in much, MUCH later than when a servicemember is notified that they will PCS.  My buddy, for example, knew in April that he would PCS to the National Capital Region last summer from Fort Carson, CO.  He didn't receive his official orders until two weeks before the move in June (it caused all sorts of issues).)  Keep in mind that many official-looking documents are not, in fact, orders.  Like a DA 4187, for example.  We use those for interpost transfers and for marking people AWOL - they're certainly not PCS orders.  In other words, ensure that the orders are in fact orders and that they qualify under the SCRA.

Likewise, don't be afraid to call the installation and ensure that the orders are legit.  Sadly, some servicemembers try to take advantage of the generous benefits bestowed on them by the Government and use it to their advantage.  I've seen fake orders to break a lease come up three times so far in my Army career.  It's upsetting, but be aware that there are dirtbags in the military just like there are dirtbags in the civilian population.  And a commander will want to know if one of their servicemembers is trying to take advantage of the good will of the civilian population for their own personal gain.  

Hopefully that covers what you were asking about.  If you have other questions about the special protections of the military in the context of residential leasing, please don't hesitate to reach out.

The thing that's great about @James Carlson is that he's a veritable font of useful and important information, not just some hack shilling his wares or cramming his uninvited opinions into other people's threads (:ahem: me).

@Jenn N. - I've said it a million times from the top of my soapbox:  Even the first inklings of regulating an industry is the just the thin edge of the axe.  I completely respect the position of @James Carlson and those like him who promote "reasonable" regulations (and usually don't disagree), but they usually portend further regulations.  Once there's a foothold, the argument about what is "reasonable" is often reduced to "Well, we're just completing the work that the first regulation kicked off.  We all agree that the industry needs regulation, so what's wrong with a little more?"

Any property owners in the class mentioned above by @James Carlson (namely, those who purchased a property with the specific intent to use it as an AirBnB pursuant to last year's ordinance) or any other AirBnB operators in R-1 Zoning, let me know if you have interest in the below:

Not here to argue the futility or wisdom of a suit against the city, just curious to know if any of the owners mentioned above would have sufficient interest for a class-action lawsuit against the city re: the proposed ordinance.  

@Anthony Rosa - I was doing a recent Continuing Legal Education course on Real Estate Law in Virginia, and one of the presenters acknowledged the obvious - namely that Landlords are much more likely to be sued than a tenant and are more likely to be sued by a tenant rather than the other way around.  The phrase he used to describe why that is?  "Landlords have bigger pockets."  Funny little coincidence.  But yes, you can't draw blood from a stone, so people generally include in any suit the person who they think has the most money (e.g. someone who owns the house instead of the person renting it).  Good to have an attorney on retainer who can help head that off with a scary letter (the highly technical term me and my lawyer buddies use for it is a "nasty-gram").

@Michael King - The technical name of what you're looking for (criminal history) is an "NCIC check."  NCIC stands for National Crime Information Center, a section of the FBI, and they maintain national records of criminal histories.  @Daryl Luc has the right way to do it, because only authorized law enforcement agents have access to it.  However, it's only as well maintained as the states who upload the information.  Crap in, crap out.  You might also need the help of an attorney or law enforcement officer to interpret it, because it lists state codes, abbreviations of crimes, etc.  Generally there is an "alert!" message on top that notifies of sex offender status, but even that is sometimes difficult to parse out unless you're very familiar with the state's laws.  For example, some people only have to register for a few years (in some states it can be as little as one or three).  So a former registrant may no longer have to do so, but that can be hard to tell.  

In my day job, I prosecute a lot of sex crimes, including sex crimes against children (it's a very uplifting job and not at all the reason I drink so heavily).  When I'm unclear if the statute that I'm potentially convicting an Accused of will translate into a registrable offense in the state where the Accused is moving, I just call the State Attorney General's office in the state where they live and ask them.  They usually have somebody whose job it is to decipher that stuff, and they're often very helpful.  That's some free chicken for you.

Another good way to find out about criminal history is to ASK on your tenant application. You can also ask, without fear, about their status as a sex offender. A tenant who lies about their criminal history or sex offender status on a rental application usually isn't very sympathetic in court. And you're doing your due diligence in trying to find out, so it potentially cuts against your liability.

I think what you bring up dovetails nicely into another consideration - that of having systems for your business.  "But Thadeous," you'll say, "what does establishing systems for my business have to do with the law?"  

What do you check for via tenant screening with each applicant?  Do you have a checklist that you go through?  I would recommend that you do.  

Not only can that help fend off accusations of improper discrimination later on, but doing it the same way every time can allow your paper/digital records to be entered into evidence during a trial.  At trial, an out-of-court statement being offered for the truth of the matter asserted is hearsay, and is generally inadmissible evidence.  If you do something THE SAME WAY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME as part of your BUSINESS PRACTICE, then that would fall into an exception to the hearsay rule known as the "business records exception."  Suddenly you can introduce documentary/digital evidence in your favor.  Isn't that advantageous?

That last bit is something literally nobody but me thinks about (because I've been trying cases in court for years now, so admissibility is always on my mind), but it definitely comes in handy to do business via systems in case you ever find yourself embroiled in a lawsuit.

@Steven Clark - I'll ask the bar for an advisory opinion on the propriety of rendering non-legal landlord advice in that way.  I'm pretty sure I could do it.  The question is whether there's an appetite for that kind of book in the market.  Maybe BiggerPockets would publish it...what do you say @Mindy Jensen?  I'll author it and charge very, very, unbelievably reasonable royalty fees.  Probably only around 96%.  And you, Steven, will get a shoutout in the "acknowledgments" section.  Win-win-win.  But seriously, Mindy, let me know.

@Andrew B. - that's another really great question!  That's a lawyer mind, right there, looking for every possible legal danger lurking around the corner and not just assuming that everything will go well.  

Bearing that in mind, let's take a peek behind the curtain from an attorney's perspective.  I can tell you the following:  It would be very unlikely that many lawyers would tell you in such situations "Nah, I'm sure you'll be fine" unless they are absolutely sure (either there is a statute on point or some case law backing up their position that already answered the question) that their answer is correct.  An attorney who represents you has the job of protecting you from litigation, so there's an incentive to be extra cautious.  @Scott Trench mentioned earlier above about the proliferation of attorneys who these days over-recommend Series LLCs. That's in part a result of Series LLCs being complicated to set up and thus more expensive and thus more money that an attorney can charge you, part a result of it being a shiny new toy that every attorney wants to try out and set up, and part a result of attorneys wanting to provide maximum, duplicative, redundant protections for their clients (no lawyer wants to be the one who assures their client that their LLC is foolproof or to say that their proposed course of action will be fine only to later watch that client lose their business, home, car, coin collection, etc.). Some attorneys, like some landlords, are shady and just want to run up the bill. Likewise, some attorneys, like some landlords, are super cautious and want to err on the side of caution.

How can you tell which one is which and that you're getting the best legal advice?  Well, that's maybe way off topic and perhaps the subject of a potential blog post.