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All Forum Posts by: Anthony Angotti

Anthony Angotti has started 64 posts and replied 1477 times.

Post: Do You Understand How Ugly This Is Going to Be?

Anthony Angotti
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 1,533
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Quote from @Jim K.:

There is nothing sane about what you have to be prepared to do in order to make a start in this business. Please take that as a given. The only thing I can fully agree with Grant Cardone about is his statement that real estate investors should, "Forget about 9-5 and start working 95 hours a week."

But the hours are not as bad as WHAT you have to do. I see people whining all the time here about their fears of unclogging toilets at 3 in the morning. People, unclogging a toilet is EASY. Wait until you have to chop a house stack with a demo saw and it dumps a pound of 100-year-old fermented dried filth on you. Wait until the first time you get sick from some mysterious disease because you were prepping a paint job somewhere in some filthy area and some decades-old bacteria were waiting for you to scrape them up. Your first massive vanity clog in a rental where your tenant has been dying her hair in the sink for years.

There are people on this site who have knocked on one side of a door with a dead body on the other side. And it just goes from there. You may think you're going to escape the nasty by investing in a different way, or following a system, or, or, or...

It continues to boggle my mind, year after year, that people get into real estate thinking they're never going to get their hands dirty, usually just because some guru told them it was possible. The price of contractors and handymen keeps going up and up and up, but no, you will always be able to afford to pay people whatever extortionate sum they want to do something that needs to be done today, and of course they will always show up. Sure.

Come on, people. Let's say a guy in one of those annoying bright blue suits with goop in his hair walked into your life and announced that he could offer you a sure-fire opportunity to get into the port-a-potty rental business. Low starting investment, high returns, big money all around. And best of all, if you followed his exclusive franchise system, YOU WOULD NEVER EVER EVER have to smell CRAP in your business. No, not once.

Would you believe him? Would you nod your head enthusiastically along with his fantastic energy and clap? Would you rush to raise the limits on your credit cards to take advantage of this fabulous opportunity? Would you try to rope your friends into it? And yet the gurus manage to tell you you're going to buy real estate, hold real estate, sell real estate, and you are never really going to have to fix real estate, clean real estate, paint real estate, none of that, AND PEOPLE BELIEVE THEM.

I'm asking for contributions here. I know that some of the things you have to do get so nasty that some of us, like me, won't openly talk about the absolute nastiest thing we've ever done in this business. We don't even want to remember it. But can you help out and add an example here of some less-than-pleasant thing you've had to do to get to where you are? And please, nothing about how you managed to cheat someone, steal something from someone, broke the law to your great advantage. You can just save that for Judgment Day.


 I once bought an apartment building that I should have known had a pest problem, but never saw any.

Turns out there was a roach problem. 

I called around to different pest companies but none of them would clean up the dead bugs, only treat. Since there were only reports of roaches and I never actually saw them I figured it was no big deal, but oh it was. 

The first treatment was the worst. Every time I moved something in the basement there would be carcasses under the item. Basically in an outline of the thing. I cleaned up maybe 1000-2000 carcasses that day and trashed my clothes. 

We had to treat for maybe 6 months to totally eliminate the problem. So that was 6 months of cleaning up roach carcasses. 

I’m not desensitized to them, but man that was the stuff of nightmares at first. 

Worse almost witnessed thing, was that I went into a building once as an agent. There was a gross oily puddle on the ground and leaking from the ceiling with a bad smell. I just left and reported it to the listing agent. Found out later that there was a dead body above that had literally been decaying so long it had liquified. That explains why they couldn’t get confirmation from the tenant to show the unit, but since then that one is part of my real estate nightmares. So glad I didn’t go in. 

Post: If you had 150k cash

Anthony Angotti
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote from @Matthew Drouin:

@Shawn Williams

Growing in this business requires getting outside of your comfort zone. So why not start with this deal? Leverage does not equal risk. It’s just a business expense.

Besides by using some leverage and keeping more cash on your balance sheet, you can have some dry powder and weather a storm if one happens. If you spend the entire $150k and you have little reserves left, that doesn’t leave you much wiggle room.

Leverage is the biggest reason why real estate is attractive as an asset class. And you are throwing that out the window. To be honest, if leverage wasn’t a tool in real estate, I wouldn’t invest. If you aren’t comfortable with it now, then when will you be?

Plus, the median home price in Pitt is $259k according to Redfin. Your budget is almost half that. I always aim to invest in neighborhoods above the median because they usually signal desirable areas where I can get great tenants who take care of their place and pay me on time every time.


 There’s lots of reasons NOT to use leverage. It may not work as part of the math problem, but buying cash can provide a lot of peace of mind during a changing economy. Also more monthly money coming in helps with supporting repairs in 100 year old houses like we have in Pittsburgh. 

I use leverage to grow but understand when people want to use cash. In some ways I wish I owned more properties outright even though it’s not the best on the spreadsheet. 

Post: If you had 150k cash

Anthony Angotti
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote from @Shawn Williams:

Hypothetically speaking—

You have 150k cash your uncle left you. And you want to purchase a turn key rental property in Pittsburgh all cash no mortgage. What specific neighborhood would you suggest? 

I understand leverage maybe putting 50k down on 2,3 properties. But starting out I don’t want any leverage. 


 I’d target a 2 bedroom house for under 130k in Brentwood, Avalon, Bellevue, Beechview, etc or any of the C+/B- type neighborhoods where you’ll get solid applicants without needing to make exceptions on credit or whatever. 

Definitely 2 bedroom houses as you’ll be able to be within your budget and have a pretty turnkey house. With 150k most 3 bed houses or larger will need repairs in that price range or be in neighborhoods where they will likely require more hands on management. And I don’t love hiring a property manager for those types of areas because it takes the effort of someone invested in the success of the property to succeed there, typically the owner or an owner with a staff on payroll. 

Good luck. 

Post: How many homes is your goal?

Anthony Angotti
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  • Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote from @Byron Paille:

I am in my late 40s. I have always dabbled in real-estate and done well. I am approaching it in a much more specific way now. Should be closing on my 6th rental next month. 

What is the goal number of homes for most of you? I do not have a set number yet. I read most investors only have 12 on average.

Are you looking at a monthly dollar amount more so than house or unit amount?


 Where’s you get that 12 number? Most that invest in 1 don’t even get to 2! 

For me I think as I’ve expanded I’d love to have less lol.

I’d base it more on income. Really it depends what you want. Do you want wealth generation, income replacement, etc. 

If income replacement is the goal you’d almost be better with less doors and more paid off properties. Less headache and a lot of buffer for repairs. 

If you want to generate bigger wealth and leverage and grow wide but not tall, then multifamily is a good goal. But it comes with more active management and more headaches. The more doors you get the more problems you have. 

Post: Anyone successfully doing long-distance BRRRRing in Pittsburgh?

Anthony Angotti
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote from @Jim K.:

Just trying to keep it real here. I know one outfit doing well near me, and I'm not sure where the money is coming from, but the tradesmen involved are just about as local as you can get. Does anyone know of a single investor successfully pulling off a string of BRRRRs in Allegheny County and living somewhere else? Built a team out of their Core Four, followed the best advice, making it happen? Anyone? Because the more I look at it, and the more people contact me here trying to get me to run point on their projects, the less plausible it seems to me, and I would like to talk to such a person over a McRib or two, and learn their mighty secrets.

 Yea, however not with the EXPECTATION that they will pull out 100% of the cash after only a year. Over the past nearly 10 years I’ve talked to what feels like hundreds of people interested in investing in Pittsburgh. Of those people I’ve ended up working with maybe 1/25. I normally tell customers that you can pull cash out but that you’ll end up leaving some in either because you got an unpredictable appraisal OR because you can’t pull 100% of the cash out and expect to have enough cash flow/buffer in your budget to pay for the full value cash out loan payment. Usually the latter. Or you can wait 3-5 years and as long as values go up refinance then. 

I tell people up front that the BRRRR strategy is a great thing to keep in mind and a great thing to aspire too, but I've found it to be all sizzle and no steak and to be honest it bothers me how much it is pitched by online sites and seminars and all that. It sets unrealistic expectations that you can execute it as a newbie from anywhere with not much cash, and because I'm honest about that I see a lot of investors go to other agents to buy houses that when I see what they bought I know it doesn't work (see their posts on FB forums usually asking for advice because they are having problems with the $30,000 house they bought in a bad area and their property manager/contractor/etc won't give champagne service for sparkling water prices).

The internet tries to sell the get rich quick idea, stack and stack and stack, and it’s easy to see why. Because selling the real estate dream makes money fast, not actually living it. 

After almost 10 years of investing I’ve built a nice little portfolio for myself that sometime in the next couple years should pay off ok. I’ve done a little bit of BRRRR, a little bit of house hacking, a little bit of traditional buy and hold, but think about that. I’m local, I do this full time, I have worked really hard at it, I have my own staff, I have had to deal with a lot of drama/stressful situations in my time, AND I really only invest in B class neighborhoods and it’s just NOW getting to the point where it’s starting to pay off. After almost 10 years of really having real estate be my main focus.
Buy and hold real estate is one of the few ways an average person can actually live out the American dream still. Work hard, live frugally, invest wisely, and eventually with enough time you can jump a socioeconomic tier, but it doesn’t happen quick, and it doesn’t happen for free, and it’s really hard. None of what I said should be discouraging per se, but anyone new and reading should take it more as a disclaimer. Rental real estate as a small player will long term make you a richer person if you do it wisely, but it’s a long path, with a lot of big and small problems to solve. And I can guarantee that you won’t do it in 3 years by BRRRRing every property perfectly. That shift in the expectations of the community is a big part of why I don’t post on BP as much as I used to, because as the economy went up and some of these strategies that I knew weren’t viable long term became more and more popular too many threads turned into hard eye rolls. So I just got kind of tired of it. Trying to be back on BP more because I got so much value from it when I was starting, but I agree that where the marketing for real estate investing has gone feels somewhat disingenuous.

Post: Need advice on hassle free rental investment

Anthony Angotti
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  • Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote from @Nawab I.:

Hi there

While I have lived on the Westcoast for a good part of my life, I am out of US for past few years. Recently I discovered cheaper houses in Pittsburgh (compared to the west coast cities), and I am thinking to put my cash toward a hassle free rental investment either in sfh or a duplex, in that area . 

Hassle free means a turnkey property which will likely not require any maintenance for next few years. 
In a good neighborhood, where I wont have a challenge in finding good renters as I won't have time to evict anyone or chase someone if they damage the property. 
With the above two constraints , what are my options? My budget is ~ 225k (including downpayment and financing).

Does anyone think it is a bad idea to remotely do this? I am ok to visit for a couple of weeks while doing the transaction. 

Thank you in advance. 


 Houses in Pittsburgh are almost all old.
Especially in that price range. They will all have maintenance from time to time unless you get lucky. 

For under 300k I’d be skeptical of anyone who sells you a house that they say will have none of these problems in any market. 


Post: How to find a gator lender to fund my EMD?

Anthony Angotti
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  • Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote from @Karl Washington:

Has anyone had experience with this? Where did you find your gator lender?


 A gator lender.


that’s a new one

Post: Yes or No to ceiling fans in rentals?

Anthony Angotti
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  • Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote from @Vincent Donato:

I have a rental duplex in Lakewood, Ohio. This older home has older ceiling fans in the bedrooms.

I'm planning to replace all the fans with LED light but wanted to hear peoples experiences on this.


My thoughts are, ceiling fans are another object in a rental that break a lot, they get dusty and gross, and these don't provide much light to the rooms. Tenants never change the lightbulbs on them, and not sure if they even get used. An LED lights up the room so much better and does not get dusty.

No, the house does not have central air, but this is Ohio so A/C window units are commonly used for the couple months of the year they are needed.


 Ceiling fans aren’t that expensive to replace so I usually install them. Kind of depends on the room though. Smaller rooms I usually do lights larger ones I usually do fans. 

Post: LLCs: The big 3 or your home state?

Anthony Angotti
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  • Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote from @Michael Oliver:

I have purchased a primary residence that I will turn into a rental in Michigan.  I plan to do deals throughout the country though. 

Should I register my LLC in the famous 3 of Delaware, Wyoming or Nevada? Or stay in m y home state?

Thanks!

I find that a lot of lenders actually like it if the LLC is in the same state as the property. So it might depend where you buy and what lender you use.

Post: 15221 Area Code

Anthony Angotti
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Quote from @Imtiaz Koujalgi:

Thanks Anthony. This is an example of the unit I was looking at in the 15221 area code. Looks like it will rent for ~$1500 and will cover the costs. I agree that the taxes seem a bit high, but the math still works out for me if I can get a rent of $1500 for this.

7553 Penn Bridge Ct, Pittsburgh, PA 15221 - For Sale (homes.com)

My price range is not more than $175K. If I can get a condo or townhome that can attract a g

What is Forest Hills zipcode? I would rather not do Section 8 tenants. I know the rent is secured by the vouchers, but I have heard that there are other multiple issues that one needs to deal with in those cases.

Thx


 Forest Hills is a neighborhood in that zip code. 

As other mentioned going off of zip-codes is problematic because it encompasses so many different areas. 

If you don't want to do section 8 you'll want to consider the median income of the neighborhood. The niche website makes this kind of easy (also a Pittsburgh company). If you don't want to do section 8 you'll have more success in areas at or above the median income for Allegheny County. 

That's a broad generalization about people, because you can find all types of people in all types of areas, but that's also the problem with a really broad/general question.