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All Forum Posts by: Travis Biziorek

Travis Biziorek has started 7 posts and replied 1763 times.

Post: Thinking of selling Detroit rentals

Travis BiziorekPosted
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Hey Cynthia, shoot me a message with what you have. I'm always a buyer for something if it meets my criteria.


That said, not wanting a house to sit on the market for a long time and not willing to take a loss are generally at odds with each other if these are problematic properties. 

Happy to take a look though, give you my opinion and thoughts, and tell you what they're likely worth to an investor.

Post: Detroit - things to research before investing

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Originally posted by @Paul S.:
Originally posted by @Travis Biziorek:
Originally posted by @Paul S.:
Originally posted by @Travis Biziorek:
Originally posted by @Keyonte Summers:

@Paul S. I disagree. There are several pockets that are B class. My lastest rental fixed with the grosse pointe zip code with all their amenities but a Detroit property is B class. Less than a mile from St.John Ascension hospital, quiet neighborhood, public transportation accessible and business accessible. 

 Gotta agree with Keyonte here. There are plenty of B-class neighborhoods in Detroit. You just need to put the time in and find them. If you're a jaded, closed-minded local, it's going to be a lot harder to accept this. But the savvy folks are out there scooping them up for cheap and doing great with them.

 Ah Travis... I remember the day when I ran into the city all doe eye'd with my rose colored glasses on.... you've been doing this for like 15 minutes and you have maybe 2-3 occupied properties?  Talk to me in 5 years when you have your feet at least a little wet.

 The only difference between now and when you started is the city of Detroit is vastly different than it's been in decades. Don't be so jaded from your past experience that you let the opportunity pass you by.

 Travis that is your opinion. How long have you lived in Detroit? The only difference from when I started til now is the very small downtown area has had an influx of $ and white kids.  Everything outside the bubble is the same in reality.  I have been down here for over 11 years, I own properties in every corner of the city from 20 unit buildings down to 2 families.  I truly root for you when I see you post - I just think your "Everything is awesome!" attitude does a disservice to the clueless OOS and local investors that don't have the stones to make it in our "Great" city

 Maybe you've only read a small sample of my posts, but "everything is awesome" is not at all a very good distillation of them. Anyway, not here to argue. My strategy is working well for me and I know plenty of folks doing the same.

Post: Detroit - things to research before investing

Travis BiziorekPosted
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Originally posted by @Paul S.:
Originally posted by @Travis Biziorek:
Originally posted by @Keyonte Summers:

@Paul S. I disagree. There are several pockets that are B class. My lastest rental fixed with the grosse pointe zip code with all their amenities but a Detroit property is B class. Less than a mile from St.John Ascension hospital, quiet neighborhood, public transportation accessible and business accessible. 

 Gotta agree with Keyonte here. There are plenty of B-class neighborhoods in Detroit. You just need to put the time in and find them. If you're a jaded, closed-minded local, it's going to be a lot harder to accept this. But the savvy folks are out there scooping them up for cheap and doing great with them.

 Ah Travis... I remember the day when I ran into the city all doe eye'd with my rose colored glasses on.... you've been doing this for like 15 minutes and you have maybe 2-3 occupied properties?  Talk to me in 5 years when you have your feet at least a little wet.

 The only difference between now and when you started is the city of Detroit is vastly different than it's been in decades. Don't be so jaded from your past experience that you let the opportunity pass you by.

Post: Investing in Windsor Ontario

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Originally posted by @Drew Sygit:

@Scott Innocente: be careful what you wish for! 

Electric cars have significantly less parts than fossil fuel powered cars, which means not only fewer assembly workers, but also fewer supplier workers. The UAW is pretty worried about another significant cut in membership due to this. 

 It doesn't matter any way you slice it. Assembly workers will get increasingly sacrificed to automation. We're seeing it already, but we'll really see it in the next downturn when it makes increasingly more sense to replace humans with robots, or there's a catalyst that makes more attractive (think a minimum wage hike to $15/h).

Right now we have so much labor support that it's not as high of a priority to replace workers. Labor is still dirt cheap.

If you're betting on Detroit because of the return of the auto industry, you're doing it wrong (not speaking specifically to you, Drew... just in general). I have no doubt the auto industry will continue to be important to Detroit, but there will be far greater diversity. And that's a good thing.

Post: Detroit - things to research before investing

Travis BiziorekPosted
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Originally posted by @Anand Mundada:

@Drew Sygit I disagree with this. Giving honest information about the local market is good for that market as well and hence good for you. How can an investor find out about with whom to do business? Definitely they are going to talk to multiple people and choose the one who was very helpful.

 Yep, gotta agree with @Drew Sygit. Nobody is asking for "general information" even when they say "what areas should I invest in?". It's a very general question, I agree. And I have no problem dancing around it like everyone else. I can tell them the hot areas everyone regurgitates, but people literally want you to tell them where they should be buying... where YOU are buying. Yeah, no.

A general question is lazy. It puts the burden on the person with the knowledge. I hate it when people ask to "pick my brain" or to "tell me about Detroit". They can't even spend the time to do some research of their own in an effort to ask pointed questions. Why should I spend the time throwing information at them, trying to figure out what they really want to know? I shouldn't. It literally has zero value for me.

You might think it's "worth my time" to have these conversations, or that it's "good for everyone". You're wrong.

The spots that I uncover, the up-and-coming ones that are clearly going to be winners... I don't have to point anyone there, because the smart, savvy, hardworking people that are putting in the time and effort have already found them, or will very soon. It's actually in my best interest NOT to tell you where you should be investing.

Think about that for a minute. In a market that is coming back, where there's still plenty of low hanging fruit if you know where to look, it is not at all in my best interest to point you to the honey hole because that means there's less for me. 

There are definitely spots where I buy, where I desperately want more houses, but they are hard to come by. When you really understand that, and understand that it is inevitable that others will find these areas, it's very clear why I don't want to share. 

I realize I may sound like a selfish jerk. The less you think about me due to what I've written here is directly correlated to how lazy you are. I have no problem helping folks, and there are a number of people right here on BP that I've helped get out of sticky situations. But I'm not here to give out a free lunch, especially one I had to bust my butt to earn. 

Post: Norada Real Estate (or other turn key providers)

Travis BiziorekPosted
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To my knowledge there are no turnkey providers operating in Detroit. 

There are plenty of shady PM's that will sell you marked up properties, do terrible rehabs for you, and maybe rent them out at the end of the day.

Detroit requires you to be far more hands on if you want to get involved here. So if you're looking for turnkey, I'd avoid it.

Post: Detroit - things to research before investing

Travis BiziorekPosted
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Originally posted by @Keyonte Summers:
Originally posted by @Drew Sygit:

@Keyonte Summers: we agree:) Please feel free to add more neighborhoods, enhance or disagree with us:)

@ Anand Mundada: Here's our thoughts about Detroit's property classes in regards to quality of tenants. 

Class A (680+ credit scores): most of Downtown, Midtown, maybe parts of Corktown and Bagley areas.

Class B (620+): some neighborhoods near the Pointes, Harper Woods, Redford, East English Village, etc., some parts of Corktown and Bagley areas. Our opinion is that Detroit has a very low percentage of Class B properties, maybe only 5-10%.

Class C (550-620): Fringe areas around everything listed above. Maybe 15-20% of Detroit.

Class D (below 550): unfortunately, with a city built for almost 2,000,000 that now only has around 700,000 (but finally, slowly growing), at least a third of the city falls into this category. The only landlords we've seen make rentals work in these areas are DIY's that either live in the areas themselves or are constantly driving by and visiting their properties weekly, if not several times a week. That type of attention doesn't work for property managers or out-of-state investors.

Also, here's some slightly modified advice we posted elsewhere on BP:

Some advice: DO NOT buy a Detroit property via Quit Claimed Deed (QCD) unless you are an expert in the Detroit market! If you buy via Warranty Deed with title insurance, property tax and water bills will be zero'd out for your purchase.

We highly recommend visiting Detroit and looking at neighborhoods you're interested in. If pressed for time you can also zoom through neighborhoods via Google Street View - just pay attention to the date of the pics. You'll notice most of these properties will be in neighborhoods overrun with the 3 "B"'s - Boardups, Blowouts & Burnouts. Extremely unlikely to find acceptable tenants to live in those types of neighborhoods.

I think you hit it on the nose with some of the neighborhood. I think the issue is that people expect that entire zip code to B class when in all actuality it might be a span of 3-4 blocks. This is what makes the Detroit market hard for those that dont take the time to actually investigate the neighborhoods. It took me months to investigate these neighborhoods, walking dozens of houses , talking to neighbors , countless hours o driving and people expect you to write a handbook on how to invest in an inner-city for the convenience of their wallet. Different goals require different strategies the zip codes I invest might not be the market for others why I walk so many houses in areas I like.   

Wait, so you won't just give me all your hard-earned knowledge for free?!?! HOW. DARE. YOU!!!!

Laugh, folks... but this is literally my BP inbox every day.

Post: Detroit - things to research before investing

Travis BiziorekPosted
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Originally posted by @Anand Mundada:

I got attracted to the Detroit area for real estate investment because of affordability and amazing cash flow. What things should be careful about my investment properties?

Few things which I read about Detroit is

1) population is not growing

2) Crime rate is high

Any areas which I should consider for B class?

 Population is declining according to what, the 2010 census? That's 10 years old and done at essentially Detroit's low point. It's been nearly a decade of growth now and the 2020 census is going to show it. 

Mark. My. Word.

Post: Detroit - things to research before investing

Travis BiziorekPosted
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Originally posted by @Keyonte Summers:

@Paul S. I disagree. There are several pockets that are B class. My lastest rental fixed with the grosse pointe zip code with all their amenities but a Detroit property is B class. Less than a mile from St.John Ascension hospital, quiet neighborhood, public transportation accessible and business accessible. 

 Gotta agree with Keyonte here. There are plenty of B-class neighborhoods in Detroit. You just need to put the time in and find them. If you're a jaded, closed-minded local, it's going to be a lot harder to accept this. But the savvy folks are out there scooping them up for cheap and doing great with them.

Post: Any Detroit Real Estate Agents Available?

Travis BiziorekPosted
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Hey Rachel, I'm not an agent but I can help in one of two ways:

a) Give you some advice from the perspective of someone who owns 10 properties in Detroit and lives here locally.

b) Connect you with an agent or two that I respect.

Some quick advice: You do NOT want a house for $20,000 with at tenant in it. If you think that will be easy to handle because it's turn key, you'll be sorely mistaken. That tenant is not paying rent, living in a complete dump, and the house probably needs $20-$30k in renovation. The owner is a slumlord, hasn't paid their taxes or updated the house... EVER.

That's not something you want to get involved in.