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All Forum Posts by: Tanner Bellamy

Tanner Bellamy has started 1 posts and replied 28 times.

Post: What are your most helpful tax strategies? Can I create a business to self manage?

Tanner Bellamy
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  • Accountant
  • Southern California
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16

Hi @Selina Giarla,

Wow a lot going on here. With that many properties, a holding company might be an advantage for you. Not necessarily for tax purposes, but for asset protection purposes. You do not want your rental properties taxed at a corporate rate. 

You probably want to keep the management company separate from the rental properties. Generally, you want to keep passive and non-passive separate. The management company would be considered a non-passive business. 

There are a lot of tax professionals specializing in real estate that can help you that are active in this forum. I would reach out to one and see if they can help you. I would venture to say that a few hundred dollars for some advice could save you thousands. 

Post: Fix and Flip Tax CPA

Tanner Bellamy
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  • Accountant
  • Southern California
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16

Hi Dennis, I think you have come to the right place. There are over a dozen tax professionals active in this forum that are still taking on new clients. If you are looking for someone I would start by checking for professionals that are active, maybe strike up a conversation, and then reach out personally by direct message to see if they are taking on new clients. 

Also, if you want to expand your options, maybe move your post over to the "Finance, Tax, & Legal" forum where most of the tax professionals are active in. 

Best of luck!

Post: What Business Structure to choose?

Tanner Bellamy
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  • Accountant
  • Southern California
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Ryan Prange:

hello everyone, over the past couple of years we have purchased two single-family homes and also built a guest house on our property. I now have three tenants and I lease part of one of the properties back to my business as a storage yard (so 4 streams of income). My question is ... if I would like to keep doing this or work in fix and flips or other forms of real estate investing, how should I structure an actual business? right now I manage everything using Sessa and have individual bank accounts for each property. I keep good records and have clean books. I have loans on two of the properties and am concerned that if I transfer the properties into an LLC that the loans would be called .

My Landscape company is an S Corp so I am familiar with that business structure, but I just don't know the best way to structure a real estate company. Would I be a property manager? Would I be something else? I appreciate everyone's advice. 


Hey Ryan,

First off, I do recommend sitting down with a tax professional so that they can understand your specific set of facts and circumstances. 

That said, typically you want to keep your passive and non-passive income separate. Your non-passive income is subject to Self Employment (SE) tax and passive income is not. That is why your landscape company is structured as an S corp... to lower the amount of SE tax you have to pay. I would recommend an S corp for fix and flips generally... but again depends on your facts and circumstances.

For real estate investments, generally, you want them in LLC's. Not for tax preferences, but for legal reasons. Real estate/passive investments are already preferential when it comes to taxes since they usually show a loss on paper and the income is not subject to SE tax.

You are in a great situation for some tax planning. I would wager that if you haven't sat down and done a tax plan before, spending a few hundred dollars with a tax pro could save you tens of thousands in the long run. 

Good luck!

Post: Must have a CPA?

Tanner Bellamy
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  • Accountant
  • Southern California
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Tomoko Hale:

Thank you for the info. I check the thread that you provided me. So if have a knowledgable accounting person(or firm)to with with and something happened to fight IRA then I can hire a representative at that moment?


 Yep

Post: Starting LLC questions - 1 or 2 member LLC

Tanner Bellamy
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  • Accountant
  • Southern California
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16

From a tax perspective, having two members in an LLC will generally cause you to file a partnership tax return which is typically more expensive than if you were to go SMLLC route. Which would make the LLC disregarded and the property would go on your individual tax return on Schedule E. Something to consider. I will leave the liability questions to the attorneys.

Post: LLC Strategy - The Overlooked Management Co?

Tanner Bellamy
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  • Accountant
  • Southern California
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Pete Wolven:
Quote from @Carl Stenberg:

@Adam Burrows the idea here is to create privity between the investment assets and third parties. As such, third parties (lenders, brokers, tenants etc.) should sign contracts with the Management Company and not the Investment Entity to add an extra layer of protection for the Investment Entity against any lawsuits arising from those contracts. For these reasons (and a few more) we typically don't recommend creating a Management Company as a child series of the Investment Entity. Happy to discuss further - feel free to reach out. 


 Sir - i'm in Orange County, NY.  I recently became licensed here in NY to be an agent.  I'm almost done with PA license also.  I figured i needed a "company" to have my commissions written to, instead of me personally.  My accountant thought an S-Corp was the best option - something about being able to do more on the "tax" side?  My overall goal is to have my real estate commission checks in that company and have the new s-corp company buy units to rent.  Does this sound like a decent plan?


 That sounds like a great plan to me. You will eventually want your nonpassive income to be flown through an S corp so you can lower the amount you pay into self employment tax. That said, there is a break even point to determine that and I do not know your financial situation now. But, assuming this is your main source of income, generally, I like S corp here. 

Post: Converted My Primary into a Rental Property - Second Guessing That Decision

Tanner Bellamy
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  • Accountant
  • Southern California
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Dane Reynolds:

Debt is tax free...this is the main reason I kept the property.  Liquidity.  Thank you all for reminding me and stopping my second guessing of myself.

It's paid off and I have a HELOC on it in place. I can use that money over and over again how I like.

I shared the $368k, they asked back what the land value was, I told them $68k.  So, I think I'm good!

This has been a helpful conversation, thanks to all!




 Good to hear Dane!

Post: Converted My Primary into a Rental Property - Second Guessing That Decision

Tanner Bellamy
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  • Accountant
  • Southern California
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Dane Reynolds:

Sherry, Chris, and Nathan - All of the above are excellent feedback. I've contacted my CPA as suggested to run some numbers. Leaning towards staying the course and just holding onto it as a long term investment.

Let's say I do plan to hold it, what value do I give the CPA for depreciation?  My understanding is that I have 2 options:
1. What I paid for it + the cost of the improvements (~$200k)
2. Appraised value (can pull this from my realtor or just from internet searches) ($368k minus $68k land = ~$300k)

Should I give the CPA the higher number ($300k) or the lower number ($200k) from my options?


 Hey Dane, your depreciable basis in the property is the lower of your cost, including improvements, and fair market value on the date of conversion to rental use. In this case, I would give him the full $368k. Do not take the land out yourself because he will probably end up doing it too which will result in your having a lower depreciable basis than you should have. 

I like your idea of holding the property. If you ever need the equity you can borrow against it tax free. Don't forget that!

Good luck!

Post: Should I file my own taxes?

Tanner Bellamy
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  • Accountant
  • Southern California
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16
Quote from @David Narvaez:

I've had the same person do my taxes for the last few years, but he seems to have disappeared this year. I guess I shouldn't have waited this long to reach out to him, but in prior years I'd set an appointment with him for that same week and would be in and out within one hour. I file jointly with my wife (both have W-2's) and I have one rental property that is under my name. Do you think I should try to find a last-minute tax pro or file my own taxes this year? 


 I would try to look for a pro. This website is a good place to start. Most firms are starting to ramp up again this time of year so it may be hard, but I know that there are people out there that still need business. I would reach out to tax pros here in the forum that are sharing value.

Post: First Time House hack, Do I need more help then my HR Block tax person

Tanner Bellamy
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  • Accountant
  • Southern California
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16
Quote from @John Carr:

Hey Team,

Quick run down. I live in my PR located in IL, but bought a home in FL with my daughter which she is house hacking. We are renting out 3 rooms atm. Since I make well more then my daughter, the plan was for me to claim the house for any tax breaks.

Question is, will we need a more specialized tax professional then the HR Block person I've been using for 20 years. They, the HR Block person, is also an investor and owns multiple properties, so I just assume they are well versed.

Thanks for your thoughts!


 Hey John, just putting my two cents in here for what its worth. I would think you could assume that your HRB guy knows what he is talking about since he owns multiple properties. However, you can never be sure without asking. I would strike up a conversation with him and see what he thinks. If he is in fact well versed on the tax side of the real estate world, tell him he needs to find a better paying job! Maybe he should become a tax pro on the BiggerPockets website and start sharing his expertise if thats the case!