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All Forum Posts by: Curt Smith

Curt Smith has started 72 posts and replied 1819 times.

Post: why PropStream Sucks

Curt Smith
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Hi Ron, and all,   I've  been using propstream for several years.  I've also been using listsource, buying private brokers leads etc.  I've talked to many private data/list brokers.

Its a not talked about secret in the leads market;  dirty data.   If you go to yellowletters.com (picking a letter service at random, not picking on YL);  and buy their list of absentee or vacant you will find lots and lots of those post cards return undeliverable etc.  If you check those lists there will be data points not meeting the criteria of the list.

Why?

Every data source "buys" their data from counties, individual MLSs, other brokers.   IE did yoiu know there are 1100 MLSs across the country.  How many counties?   Each has their own computer systems.

Ron, it may be, you're seeing bad luck that your MLS service has a poor data feed and PS can't fix that. Same with county deed data, so many of my states counties are just poor at making divorce, BK, late on taxes data available.

I've had other services and its my view that PS is the best. I'll agree that users will have bad area due to the county or local MLS issues. In general PS puts alot of effort into only storing clean data. But as said dirty data, stale data, wrong data is an industry wide problem.

Ron, try other services and report back?  We'd like to find better services too even though I'll defend PS per my own looking at other services.

Oh it occurs to me Ron,  you may be (like me) searching for low equity owners to look for subject to deals??   There's a race track in county deeds being filed that will falsely trigger addresses to be low equity but it actually is a recent sale with a NEW mortgage.  The mortgage security deed typically gets filled much faster then the new warrantee deed.  POOF you have a lead with low equity, yeet its just sold or due to stale data its still shown in PS as active.   Look at the mortgage history and y9ou'll see a recent loan transaction and I don't know how to filter those?  PS offers years of owner ship (warrantee deed), but no filter on age of the debt (security deed).    There's no fix for this race track that I know of.  The problem is at the county level AND just how banks/attorneys rush filing the security deed.

Best of luck Ron and all,  curt

Post: HELOC loan on investment property - no w2 income

Curt Smith
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Hi Tiffany, HELOC, fannie/bank loans need DTI under writing. That means Debt to Income and only income that counts is W2 OR 2 yrs of 1040 tax returns. Plus very very few HELOC lenders on rentals. Typically are credit unions, one is PenFed and one other ?? Delta??

A viable option for you are DSCR/non-qm 30 yr lenders. Do a cash out REFI instead of HELOC. But these lenders do low LTV, 60%, 65%, rarely 70% at stepping up interest rates and points. At 65%; .65 x $320000 = 208000 - 187000 = just $21k. ;(

FWIW these lenders that I have recently used: lendingone.com, kiavi.com, Lima One.... others. I got great mid 4's interest rate. Search BP on DSCR lenders. These are 30 yr fixed loans. A 5 yr pre pay penalty which is no problem for me.

Post: Finding tenants before closing a deal

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Quote from @Harold Miller gregor:

Thank you Steven 

I meant for my own personal criteria i am going to argue down the price of course but purchasing this property i will not be able to afford the payment on my own.  But thank you for the insight!


 "not able to afford the payment on my own" means no bank will lend you the purchase funds.  Fix this problem before getting the other carts in front the horse.  Make sure you have a certainty of closing the purchase before putting up the rental ad (I use zillow rent manager).   I have advertised a rental I was buying that didn't need any rehab, just light cleaning.  Closed on Friday, new tenants moved in on Sunday.  Yes thats called a miracle!!!    But it was a cash purchase no slow bank underwriting involved.   

I like SWBC.com for rental (fannie/bank) financing for purchases or REFIs if you qualify. For non bank rental purchase or REFI where you dont need DTI (debt to income calcs) just a lease or the appraisor picks market rent I recommend these DSCR/non-qm lenders: lendingone.com (closed 3 recently), kiavi.com (closed 1 6 mo ago). The DSCR/non-qm lenders just need modest FICO, >680, a liveable house (these guys will not finance a house that needs alot of fixing), BUT they only do lower LTV, 60%, 65, rarely 70%, where bank/fannie can go as high as 85% for your first rental, then after a few drops to 75%. I'm doing a cash out REFI of the residense, bank/fannie, at 75%, my DSCR / non-qm loans where all at 60% one at 65%.

Meaning to avoid using bank/fannie lenders (DTI etc) you need more cash into the deal to close (purchase) using the easier to qualify DSCR/non-qm lenders.

Hope this helps re how to get through a closing.

Post: Worth it to sell my condo?

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@Kevin Chubet  Very few sources of HELOCs on rentals.   PenFed credit union,  Another that escapes me.   

I just did 6 cash out REFIs with what are called DSCR/non-qm lenders; lendingone.com, kiavi.com, lima one, a few others. I just closed at 4.25% at 60% LTV with 1 pt intertest rate buy down with lendingone.com . No DTI, no 1040. DSCR loans are based on your min FICO, an apraisal and the rent. Not DTI or your income.

Post: Worth it to sell my condo?

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Ditto what Greg said, plus;  its impossible to find good deals.  Y9ou have a fantastic deal, fantastic cash flow.   If you can't (easily and reliably) replace a deal that you sell with something better (will appreciate faster, more cash flow), then why the heck sell?

We don't believe in selling anything!!   Good houses in good locations can't not be built, its 100% built out.  There's no competition and we own golden 3/2 rentals because they are in desirable locations, transportation, size and function.   I'm talking about bread and butter starter homes, 3/2, some with garage, near in close to freeways and jobs.   This is same as water front property, there/s only so much of it, and they can't make more...

Wealth is grown by HOLDing cash flowing real estate.   Best to all.

Post: PropStream filters should I use?

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@Ron Hollingsworth Yes yes seen that.  I try to filter recent sales out

ownership >2 yr <8yr

Not listed (this helps filter out recent sales who's date is recent)

Its NOT PS's fault, its due to slow public records filings.   The banks security deed on a new sale beats the warrantee deed change into public records triggering the low equity and my owner ship yrs still is true (on the prior owners warrantee deed date).   This will give y9ou that list of recently closed homes.   No solution its a publicc records race track problem.   Not listed and NOT a filed listing etc will help, but not eliminate these recent sales bad leads.

Just pull bigger lists and eat the bad data.  Its the ugly fact in marketing, the lists you are buyig/pulling have alot ALOT of bad data.

;(

Post: What is the Best way to secure a inherited property from a friend

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As Mike said 100%, to be clear; you both sign a purchase and sale agreement! It can be hand written, capturing the terms, that signed doc is taken to the attorney. Steve infered attorneys give you P&S contracts, in all my working with folks, I've never heard of that. But you might ask, but be prepared to hand write, find a BP wholesalers P&S contract, a purchase and sale contract ASAP with your friend.

What hasn't been mentioned is the house needs to have  been probated and your friend, or the executor, has the power to sign as the seller.  

If the story above means probate has NOT been done, the family does not want to pay for that attorney, STILL sign a P&S and say the amount of time to complete the sale is >>> longer then the time to probate in y9our state. It ranges from 6 mo to 2 years (NY). ;( But in most states theres a way to execute a sale in less time then the probate period via the probate court agreeing to the heirs petitioning to pull the house out of probate since there's no disagreement amoungs the heirs as to the distribution of assets. (to that effect).

These probate scenarios run all variations of complexity!! But investors have figured out ways to buy good deals from families who don't want the house, want the cash or income and figure out the paper work. IMHO In my humble opion and experience Attorneys are not that helpful with WHAT to get signed. They in my experieence only take what you bring them and attempt to work with it. Some as I have had experience with will and can bale on your closing and I had to shop for "an investor friendly" (meaning compitent) closing attorney. Join your local REIA to find good local investor friendly, and or probate knowledgable closing attorney. Death is often a challenge in xfering ownership; missing ex wife, step kids, all sorts of state regs re rights we rarely hear about.

Best of luck.

Post: PropStream filters should I use?

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Hi Ron,  An aside I suggest you take education in the various deal types to deeply understand each type of seller and their problems, thus the issues you might search on.  At least get education for the deal type you are targeting.  Join local REIAs, search for real estate investor associations in meetup.org and join them all and network with local experienced folks.

Why?  Successful marketing takes deep knowledge of the seller types you want to reach and this comes with years of experience.

I've used PS for maybe 5 years, do mailings within PS, occationally export lists and skip trace and do sms.   PS is the best data base tool I've found.  I've trialed most of the others.

First the bad news;   any list someone from Timbuctoo with a credit card can buy and mail are going to be getting a ton of other post cards.  Probate, preforclosure, absentee etc in the major cities are very very difficult and expensive since your only potential advantage over the nationwide big $$$ wholesalers is to out spend them.  Which few have that deep a pockets.

My rentals where getting a stack of post cards a month have trickled off and now I'm getting cold calls at about the samee rate.  IE the $$$ folks have moved to cold calling.   Some SMS, mostly philipeno women voices calling on most of the addresses.   I've been doing 2k SMS numbers / mo for 1.5 yrs, consistently.  Adding new numbers from expensive lists like 30-60-90 days late bought via a broker from the credit agencies, around $0.33 each.  Got one deal early on.  I'm keeping it up on the belief that stressed owners who took forbearance will be hitting a second wave of stress from inflation etc.    IE I'm spening $$$ consitently to be the last marketing guy standing.  :)  This is how it works, keep it up, keep the spend, to be the last guy standing.  Its expensive and takes often a year of hitting the same list every 45 days.

The good news is PS has the most, best filters of any tool.   How can I help with filter chioices since you didn't say who you are going after?

My target are LOW equity to NO equity.  Thats right I want deals wholesalers / flippers can't use.  I buy subject to and keep as rentals after investing cash to fixup after a low cost closing to buy just taking over the mortgage payments after paying for the closing.  Rarely some $$ for the seller.  They sell not for $$ but to get out from under the stress of a poorly maintained house and worry about a missed payments mortgage.  Connect/PM me I hand out a subject to detailed training.

For me;  <5 yrs ownership (low equity),  some lien, or bankrupcy or divorce.  Typically I'm targeting home owners / occupants.

If you are attempting wholosaling or off market buying a flip then you need high equity, long years of ownership, >15yr.    PS has added a bunch of pre set filters in the Quick list choices drop down.  The new ones are at the bottom of the list.  No direct experience with them.

The biggest tip I think is what area to target.  I hear that more likely success is in smaller towns >45 min from your target city.  IE give up on your major city and do post cards to small towns >45 min away.  ;(

Buy/read BP's Zero down creative deals book.   IMHO the oppoortunities going forward in this inventory scarce market are creative, not high equity wholesales.  Learn how to buy and hold using creative tactics.  I'd like to be shown wrong, but my view is wholesaling for newbies is dead,, least till the next 2009 like crash.  Too much work today.  Creative is easier but is a "knowlege" business.

Go to youtube and watch: "creative deals", "lease option", "subject to". Buy Joe McCalls education plus at yourr local REIA.

Best of luck.

Post: Portfolio Loans on Residential Rentals?

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@Esther Tama and others, Yes Esther I've heard of local credit unions offering good terms on commercial/rental loans and not being DTI (fannie under writing).

Update on my cash out refi progress;

- finished 2 of the 3 REFIs I started with FinOfAm, they where the worst, most painful lender / underwriting I have ever done, including bank/fannie under writing.  4 months, FOUR months to close each of 2 loans.  They where such a PAIN that they gave up on a simple title issue on the 3rd door.   

- I took the 3rd door to LendingHome now Kiavi and they closed quick and easy.   FinOfAm allowed buy down of the interst rates, Kiavi didn;t but still in the low 4's (today high 4's).  BTW anythiinig under 6% for commercial and you cash flow is great.  Its 30 yr fixed so you'll be glad at any current interest rate years to come.

- I have 3 more in flight with LendingOne in FL, also DSCR, 30yr, quick easy underwriting. Getting 5%. I could have dropped LTV to 60% and got 4.7%.

- DSCR lenders will only do lower LTV, 60, 65, rarely and at higher costs 70%.

Nows the time to pull out cash even if you just sit on it.  When the deals start flowing later this yr and next you may not be able to get the cash.  The rule is in play;  you can get cash when you don't need it, and usually when you need it you can't get it...

Post: CRM-->skiptrace-->SMS-->campaign management; reipro, freedomsoft

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Google SMS marketing system, lots of them today.   I'm using reireply.com .   Every feature known to marketing.  ;(  meaning its complicated but works.  It even has a smart phone app to get the sms replies and to do most maintenance on y9our phone.  $99/mo.

Read here re SMS efficacy!!!!    Its very low.   How many spam calls/sms do you get offering to renew y9our auto warrantee?   We are now numb/immune to SMS messaging.   Plus Federal laws re spam are clamping down.  The network carriers are filtering SMS before it even gets to destination phones.  Mine largely go throough I'm seeing, re the "no", "stop", "stop f******g sending this s***"  :)

As always, marketing success is more a function of the quality of y9ur list vs the channel.   IE if you had a list of folks who are today behind on their mortgage BUT the banks NODi has not been sent out (public knowledge)  you'd have a golden list.  But this list is not purchasable iin my searching.  There are sources of 30-60-90 late on some debt and this list is dirty (lots of bad data).   Bad data is the dirty secret in the data list sellers...\

Good luck, curt