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All Forum Posts by: Sunny P.

Sunny P. has started 25 posts and replied 89 times.

Post: Have you been wildly successful with condos?

Sunny P.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 5

I am particularly interested in hearing about success stories when it comes to condo investing.

there are a lot of you on this forum that have been very successful with condos but majority hate it.  

So tell me why you decided to go into condos?  what made you successful?  If you could do it again, would you buy condos again or go with other routes such as single family, multifamily, apartments, etc. 

Post: How do they get here?

Sunny P.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 5

Do you ever wonder how some of these guys get to that multi million dollar developments?  How do they have the money?  buying rentals here and there is great but these guys take it to a level that I can only dream of...just what does it take to get there?

Same thing I wonder about people that own multi million dollar businesses and when  you read about them, they came from nothing....what's that tipping point in their life that just allows them to take it to the next level?

I was browsing came across these developers in Columbus, OH

http://www.columbusceo.com/content/downloads/Leaderboards/2013/0513-real-estate.pdf

Post: What do you think about this deal?

Sunny P.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Julie Falen:

You could also do hard money, which is quick compared to someone else who is financing via conventional loans.....

 What's hard money loan?

Post: Write off

Sunny P.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 5

is there an easy calculation on how to figure out the tax savings or implications when selling the property??

Let's say you're paying cash $100,000 for a property. 

Each year you're going to write off your expenses, property taxes, AND DEPRECIATION. 

so that depreciation of $100,000- land cost will benefit you NOW and every year until you sell or 27.5 years. 

Then you pay taxes on that $100,000-land value. 

That's a hefty tax then.   So is that everyone's doing ?? Thanks 

Post: What do you think about this deal?

Sunny P.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Sam J Mrofcza:

Sunny, 

This sounds like a good deal to me, just on thought   

  1. Depending on how many loans you already have paying cash might not always be the way to go. I rather enjoy using other peoples money, while my renters pay down the principal. EX. Lets say you finance 70% so you take a loan for 112K, (not including Tax/insurance) your P&I would be ~$520, add in your HOA/CapEx and call it $820. So your down payment was $48k. $1500 - $820 = 680 x 12 = $8160/$48K = 17% COC return. Now of course you have to pay the interest on your loan but thats also a good write off if you need one and you're still cash flowing $8K a year. Just a thought.

In any case it looks to be a sound investment, especially if you already own two units and you're managing them yourself.  

Good Luck Brother.  

Sam 

 Really good points Sam and I completely agree that returns are better with financing.  Problem is they have a $169,000 offer from someone that wants to finance. So the only way they let this one go for $160,000 is if they close on it quick, which means cash offer. 

So I am not sure what to do but timing is everything here 

Post: Closing costs?

Sunny P.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 5

what are typical closing costs on a cash purchase for a condo? 

Thanks 

Post: Help on this condo deal:

Sunny P.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Ed W.:

Some thoughts to consider:

How well-run and how well-managed is the condo association and how strong are their reserves?

Condo declarations, bylaws, and rules generally control the percentage of tenants and create deed restriction but I don't believe I've ever seen that specifically on deeds.

I would never buy in a condo association with unrestricted tenancies.  It would have close to a 80% or higher chance of some day causing a serious decline in value of the units.   This one is still new and hasn't suffered through a decline in the market.

Too many eggs in one basket?  Easy is not always best.

the reserves of this HOA are pretty strong...should there be a need for a new roof or some other major improvement, it should be covered.

I read through the condo docs and that is all they had about rental..no specific % restrictions.

Are you saying a decline in value because if there are too many investors then new primary residence buyer won't want to buy?  

I am wondering how much knowledge or curiosity does a new homeowner has about how many units are investor owned or not..

Post: What do you think about this deal?

Sunny P.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 5

@Joseph Leonard are these potential costs that you would want to figure out ?  So the month doesn't necessarily incur these costs but at some point, have these reserves for new Windows, HVAC, water heater, new flooring, etc??? 

I did forget to include taxes in my original calculation. :( 

Post: Help on this condo deal:

Sunny P.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 5

well the area is pretty hot.  I have owned 1 has been in rental for 5 yrs now (first tenant did 3 yrs and second has been there for 2 but starting 3rd year)

Second unit I have owned for 2 yrs..it got rented out within a week of listing and the 2 year lease ends on Friday and new one starts on Sunday.  

So far I've 0 vacancy but I don't know how that would work in the future. 

The rental market is particularly strong in this area and has been for as long as I followed the area for the last 15+ yrs. 

Their are 4-5 very large employers that employ thousands of young professionals and another 20-25 companies that are mid scale and also employ a ton of young professionals. 

My target tenant is that young professional before they buy their 1st house 

Post: What do you think about this deal?

Sunny P.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 5

Okay, I know most of you are fairly negative on Condos, however, I want to ask you about this potential deal. Condo is in Columbus, high rents around $1500

Selling price/ final price is $160,000

HOA per month is $149. There are no restrictions on rentals from what I can tell and I called the HOA management company and the said the same thing. Basically the deed states any rental can't be for LESS than 30 days for transient use.

So I own 2 condos in this complex. Bought 1st for $150,000 in early 2009 and second for $140,000 in Mid 2014. When these were first built in 2007, they were selling for $165000 - 170,000

Now this unit that I am looking at is $160,000..Market has gotten very hot over the last year or so. This one was built in 2010 so it's a bit newer.

Current rent for the other units is around $1500

So with that in mind if this is purchased with cash, main expenses would be $150 a month for HOA; about $150 a month in reserve for incidents

so left over is $1500 - $300 = $1200 x 12 months = $14,400 / $160,000. That gives a 9.0% Cash on Cash return.

Only reason I like this is because I own 2 other units in this complex so it makes it a bit easy to manage..

Thoughts??